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This has been a fun team to watch this season and I'm happy that they got recognized around the league!
My prediction is that Wilder and Trestman win with Ray coming in a close second. Not sure about McEwen.
https://www.argonauts.ca/2017/11/08/...ion-all-stars/
https://www.argonauts.ca/2017/11/09/...player-awards/
https://www.argonauts.ca/2017/11/09/...-year-honours/
McEwen wins for fun. One penalty all-season.
Mods, merge threads?
Can’t see wilder or Trestman losing, Ricky vs. Reilly is a toss-up, I’m obviously biased and in Ray’s camp.
In the National Post today the predictions were all the western nods except for Wilder, for what it’s worth.
I can't see how the Stamps started to slump near the end will give DD an advantage over Trestman, who turned his team around from worst to first. And that's why I think Jones' should've represented the West. All Reilly really has over Ray is his rushing ability. Reilly even got benched a few times IIRC.Quote:
Originally Posted by mchesher03
Doesn't everybody realize that Richard Leonard got hosed :mad::ohno::D
Reilly had 12 rushing TD's...I sense he takes MOP.Quote:
Originally Posted by mchesher03
Reilly lead the league in passing yards, tied for 1st with Harris for passing TD's, lead the league in rushing TD's, 1st in yards per attempt, and lead his team to a 12-6 record, compared to Ray's lead 9-9 Argos..
Yeah, Ray is more deserving of the MOP..................... /sarcasm.
Reilly will win, and deserves to win based on the year he had. But that takes nothing away from Ricky Ray, who also had a fantastic season. Some members of this forum completely wrote him off last year (and in 2015, 2014, even 2013 IIRC) as well as in the off-season (both before and after Trestman was hired and declared RR the starter). And yet here he is in the conversation for MOP, after passing for more than 300 yards a game, 27 TDs, 70% completion etc.
It is what it is and maybe Reilly is more deserving but let’s not drag that awful stat of QB “wins” into it.Quote:
Originally Posted by R.J
How can Ray possibly win? He was old and washed up back when Collaros left. Speaking of which does anyone know how Collaros has been doing lately?
You don't like the QB state "win" either? This year in Hamilton, Jonathon Jennings got hurt after 1 play. Lions went onto win the game, so Jennings got the W. Seems like trying to compare pitchers in Baseball to quarterbacks in football.Quote:
Originally Posted by mchesher03
If Ray weren't an Argo, how many here would still think he should win the MOP over Reilly ?
Gotta love how Collaros is somehow brought into this lol
Oh yes....also had it not been for that bogus PI call against SJ Green in week 15, Hamilton would have finished 1st in the East.Quote:
Originally Posted by Argofans.com
Gotta love how little credit you give Ray and Trestman. Same old boring offence....Quote:
Originally Posted by R.J
No difference between Milanovich and Trestman... if only the Argonauts would run the ball...Quote:
Originally Posted by ArgoGabe22
LolQuote:
Originally Posted by ArgoGabe22
Pretty sure I've mentioned a few times now that I thought Ray played well this season.
Yes, it is pretty much the same offense (you guys do realize that Milanovich's "genius" was bringing Trestman's playbook with him to Toronto, right ?), but as I've stated right from the beginning: Trestman is a damn good coach and a much better play caller than Milanovich ever was. I even stated that I think Trestman should win the COTY. So, yeah not sure what you're trying to imply. You and a few others around here need to ease your bias against me, you might actually learn something.
Hey since we're bringing up random names that have nothing to do with this years MOP award, what happened to Whitaker ? I was told that he hadn't lost a step or two.
Also, still waiting to see if Drew Willy wins the Grey Cup as a starter before Collaros does.......
Here comes Angelo to chime in as usual......
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Originally Posted by R.J
Ask and you shall receive. And if Ray throw for 7,000 yards and led the team to an 18-0 record, you still wouldn't give him the respect he deserves.Quote:
Originally Posted by R.J
I always find it humourous that you disappear from here for a few days after Ray has a good game. Almost as if it really bugs you. Personally, I think you're just a troll that isn't an Argos fan at all, but go to the games only because you are displaced from your home city. Nothing wrong with that. I would buy season tickets in any market if I was living there. But hey, what else can I say. I have been known to think of you as a Mr Know it all anyways.
Not true. I've learned a thing or two on how to bookmark.Quote:
Originally Posted by R.J
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Originally Posted by AngeloV
If I asked and shall receive, how is the question still not answered ?
Lol. That was a good one Gabe.Quote:
Originally Posted by ArgoGabe22
I never noticed that, but thanks for pointing it out I suppose. It seems odd that you've become a little obsessed with me over the last year, tracking my posting days, talking about me on twitter for some reason, always chiming in on my posts etc. I think you may need to talk with someone about this, it may become more serious.Quote:
Originally Posted by AngeloV
It is quite interesting to go back and read the "what are your honest expectations of this team" thread from the off-season.
Another one who seems way too interested in me. Aren't I on your ignored list ?Quote:
Originally Posted by paulwoods13
I don't see a clear-cut winner between Reilly and Ray. You can also throw in Nichols and Harris. Their stats were just as good.
As for Reilly's rushing TDs, something smell fishy. There's no way I'd keep my starter in on every short yardage situation the way the Esks did this year. It's as if they wanted to minimize Franklin's stats to make it easier to re-sign him.
I envision that Wilder and Trestman (perhaps Spencer) will be the only winners from the east.
Is Spencer really a ST ace in the East? Jackson is a better overall returner and got hosed with that one. Spencer gets touches but I dunno if he's really a great returner, deserving an award.Quote:
Originally Posted by Argofans.com
I wouldn't say Spencer was wholly undeserving of the award.Quote:
Originally Posted by ArgoGabe22
I think Finch wins the award unanimously, but Spencer had a decent season I suppose. About the same as Jackson's, although Spencer had less drops/fumbles.Quote:
Originally Posted by Argofans.com
TBH, I'm just glad that Paredes wasn't up for that award. IMO his efficiency ratings is considerably overrated, as Calgary's offense does a good job of getting him closer than some other teams do.
I think Ray gets extra points for doing what he did this season at his age.
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Originally Posted by R.J
Spencer was fantastic this season. He won games for the Redblacks. I didn't miss a single game. Ask an Ottawa fan if he was "decent, I suppose." They will roll their eyes at you.
On specials or on offence? Because Finch has done more in less games.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jon Gonzo
Wilder should win handily for Rookie of the Year.
Reilly's edge in passing yards, combined with his 12 TD's and big edge in rushing, as well as his better record in the red zone means he is a heavy favourite to win.
The Stampeders' three consecutive losses at the end of the season significantly increase Trestman's chances of winning. IMO, Marc's great rebuilding job carried out in short order earned him the award anyway.
As a receiver/returner, yes I would agree, but solely as a returner I thought Spencer was okay.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jon Gonzo
Finch is another game breaker. I expect him to win it, but it doesn't take away from Dionte's season. He was really good. "Decent," as posted by another, doesn't properly describe his accomplishments. I just like to see credit given, where it's due.Quote:
Originally Posted by ArgoGabe22
He was better as a returner this year. He was good as a receiver.
I agree totally.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jon Gonzo
Since no one else has commented on the Jake Gaudar Veterans Award 2017 nominees, I'll paste the info on the Argos' nominee, Jamal Campbell. The award is given " to a Canadian CFL player who best demonstrates the attributes of Canada's veterans: strength, perseverance, courage, comradeship and contribution to Canadian communities". It's good to see that the Argos' community program is not only supporting the community, but generating players who themselves are carrying on this tradition. I think Jamal is a great nominee. Good on him for taking on this role so early in his career.
The other team's nominees can be found at the website below.
https://www.cfl.ca/2017/11/10/cfl-an...ward-nominees/Quote:
Living proof of the impact of CFL community programs, Jamal Campbell had never played football until Grade 10, when the Argos brought their “Level the Playing Field” program to his school. Campbell is now dedicated to giving back to his neighbourhood and supporting young people, working with the Boys and Girls club in North York and local programs for disadvantaged youth. With the Argos, Campbell has taken the time to learn multiple offensive line positions to put the team in a better position to succeed while reaching out to help American teammates feel at home and help his teammates prepare for games. Campbell is also a recipient of a Toronto Urban Hero Award in the Sports category for his outstanding work to help others in his neighbourhood.
Finch was the most dangerous returner I've seen in years. He looked like a threat to break it on every return. Having said that, the rookie out of Carleton, Adeleke looked pretty damn good in Finch's absence. Mark Kilam just may have a lot to do with these successes coordinating their ST's.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jon Gonzo
I expect Finch to get a unanimous vote.