August 23, 2015: Ottawa RedBlacks vs. Toronto Argonauts

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Originally Posted by paulwoods13

Waters was an ace by his second season. If we knew Pfeffer would be that good by his second, maybe there would be value in keeping him over Waters. But even you concede that Shaw was erratic for his first four seasons. Would you really want to wait that long for Pfeffer?

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72% FG efficiency in his second year makes him an ace ?
Last season (his 3rd) was Swayze's breakout/"ace" year.

Waters has been an elite punter since entering the league, but took a bit longer to kick at an elite level. How do you define when he was "developed"?

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Originally Posted by SnowRogue

72% FG efficiency in his second year makes him an ace ?
Last season (his 3rd) was Swayze's breakout/"ace" year.

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Fair point as far as FGs go, no question. He was an outstanding punter in 2013 (46.5/43.4 net) and an outstanding kickoff man from Day 1. But his FG kicking was middle of the pack in Years 1 and 2.

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Originally Posted by Wobbler

Waters has been an elite punter since entering the league, but took a bit longer to kick at an elite level. How do you define when he was "developed"?

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Positive consistency IMO.

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Originally Posted by paulwoods13

Fair point as far as FGs go, no question. He was an outstanding punter in 2013 (46.5/43.4 net) and an outstanding kickoff man from Day 1. But his FG kicking was middle of the pack in Years 1 and 2.

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No disagreement here.

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Originally Posted by Stevoman

That penalty on McDonald not only cost the Redblacks the game, but also his own job. Cut today.

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Remember he had those 2 fumbles returning punts vs the Stampeders in Calgary the previous week which really put the Redblacks (Rough Riders) out of that game early.