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Wow, 590, 1050 & 1150 are all talking about this right now!
Sad that this is what it takes to get sports media in Toronto to talk more about the CFL.Quote:
Originally Posted by Neely2005
To compound the issue in my mind. The CFL supposedly added an eye in the sky this year for each game so they could overturn wrong calls like this one. Where was that guy when everybody not called an official could see it was the wrong call.
Love that even the panel was ripping into this “call” at halftime.
I’m sorry but nonsense like this doesn’t help at all. Since the flag was on the turf, I was hopeful it had been the catalyst for the whole return – (without the penalty, that return doesn’t happen)
Of course this was not the case but the “flag” was thrown as Jackson is crossing the goal line, just abysmal what’s the point? This didn’t lose us the game but lost the league some serious positive PR.
It was a scoring play. Should have been reviewed and the flag should have been overturned. I can't believe how many review calls are getting messed up this year. The league needs to clean that up immediately. This stuff is costing team's wins.
And costing the league credibility, the fact that incompetent officiating is the topic of conversation week after week speaks volumes but the CFL is either oblivious to this issue and/or are have no clue how to fix it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Scooter McCray
Unfortunately CFL officiating is an old boys club and change seems to be slow and difficult.Quote:
Originally Posted by Argo57
So CFL gave her seasons tix and a years free groceries, but these phantom calls have been happening for years.
If it was a bombers return, I seriously doubt that flag is thrown.
Years ago when hamilton stunk, they'd be a 1 point favorite at home for labour day. Week later, the argos would be a 2 TD favourite at home.
The refs have always been a major factor in the games.
Usually, people say, oh well its the CFL, it's tough to win out west, etc. But this time it really burned them. I don't think it was an anti-million dollars call, but I do think it was an intentional anti-argos call. How else would you explain it?
Huge credibility problem now for the CFL, where the good press of someone winning the million would've been worth way more.
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Originally Posted by Argo57
Ambrosie as new Commish has the power to do something here; it was a scoring play and the totally horrid flag should have been over-turned.
Did i hear that the Command Centre review is made by one guy ??? = totally stupid if that is the case - have a 3 man panel there and let majority rule. How anybody with a brain could not see that was a bogus call is beyond me ??? - power to review and make changes for the better, but they are too gut-less ?
Ambrosie has already publicly supported the official that flagged Noel. I doubt he will do anything to improve the officiating.Quote:
Originally Posted by OV Argo
I would been shocked if Ambrosie didn't have his official's back on the blown call. Whether anything happens behind closed doors..... we will never know.
My problem with this isn't with the initial call on the field, as awful as if was but in the fact that the command center with all the technology available to them still couldn't get it right. Everyone outside the province of Manitoba could see that the Bomber player was going down on his own and the touchdown should have stood. With the added bonus of the million dollar touchdown the league had the feel good story of the summer in their hands. Instead the casual fans, the ones the league is trying to win over are talking about how Karen got hosed.
It looked to me like Noel reached out and put his hand on Miller before the latter fell. Miller would have fallen anyway -- Noel touching him didn't cause the fall -- but Noel did touch him from behind and on a strict interp, that's a penalty. The league should put in a provision that would allow such calls to be overturned by the command centre if the infraction clearly did not affect the outcome of the play, as was the case here.
There's no way the commissioner is going to publicly rip his officials but I'm sure behind the scenes, Major (the ref who missed the two non-calls for roughing up Ray) is being taken to task.
As for the argument that it was called because it was an Argo returning the kick, sorry but that's hogwash. Every team in the league has fans who feel they are persecuted by the officials. But why would the league, or refs employed by the league, conspire to damage the franchise that is in the deepest trouble financially? There's no logic to that belief.
I wouldn't take Major to task on anything, guy looks like a lunatic 😡!Quote:
Originally Posted by paulwoods13
I like your provision Paul but I would put a clause in excluding Hamilton.
Paul has nailed it here. I believe that the "illegal block" call would not get overturned by the Command Centre even though it was likely not the best idea to throw the flag there. From what I saw on Twitter - admittedly. not necessarily the greatest source - Trestman could have challenged the call but I really doubt that it would have been overturned as Noel's hand was on the back of the Bomber.Quote:
Originally Posted by paulwoods13
Ben Major was the official who was clocked in the noggin a couple of years ago during a Toronto/Montreal game and got some notoriety because of the resulting black eye that he received. He was, arguably, the best known non-head referee prior to this season when the league promoted him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Argo57
Anyone who thinks the CFL has unbiased officiating has their head in the sand.
The CFL uses local refs.
If, say the Argos are on the road, in first place, playing the Riders who need to win to make it to playoffs. The Riders are winning. Even if it takes 20 phantom calls.
Just wait til September, and if you think how does the league want this result, it comes up 9 times out of 10. Especially when it comes to Western teams.
That call that cost the lady the million does not get made if it's a bomber returning the kick. Guaranteed.
As for the video review booth? Its Jake Ireland. He's pushing 90 and a cfl lifer. Knows the company line,
surprisingly most of the people here in winnipeg i have talked to, also agree that it was a bad call.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bleeds Double Blue
That explains alot then. We have a head ref with one eye and a head injury:DQuote:
Originally Posted by ArgoRavi
With all the technology available, just use it when necessary to help out the refs on the field.
You mean like video replay?Quote:
Originally Posted by gilthethrill
How's that working out?
Better in the sand than elsewhere, I guess.Quote:
Originally Posted by Topshelf
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Originally Posted by Topshelf
Your idea that there is that kind of bias in CFL reffing is ludicrous/laughable - IMO.
OTOH - CFL reffing could improve, big-time; way too many over zealous calls that were not really necessary as they did not affect the play; and replay review unable to over-turn obvious mistake calls on the field - this part is frustrating and difficult to understand - maybe the Command Centre is staffed by a gutless wimp who is afraid to hurt the feelings of his on-field officials brethren ? Both of these problems are easily addressable - by new Commish Ambrosie - fire all refs who continue to make dumb, over-zealous, flag-happy calls; and get a new Command Center staff - and make it 3 veteran guys who know the rules and understand the game, and have them make a (swift) decision on calls, with a majority decision surely able to over-turn one guy who is afraid or blind to make the correction.
I don't buy any kind of officials conspiracy. With much more passing, spread formations, speed, and greater emphasis on kick returns in today's game, it's just a way harder game to call. We also see everything right away with super slo-mo HD/4K replays.
In terms of the number of rules and the ground they had to cover, refs had a lot less to do in the old days when most teams used tight formations almost exclusively and ran more than half the time. Before 1975, blocking was illegal on punt returns, which meant eleven guys on the return team were relegated to standing around after the ball was caught.
Here are the eight penalties that can be challenged:
I didn't even know illegal blocks on kicks could be challenged. Not sure any coach knows since I can't remember one being challenged. Same deal with no yards.Quote:
The following penalties may be challenged by the coach whether they were
called or not called during play
• Defensive Pass Interference
• Illegal Contact on a Receiver
• Offensive Pass Interference
• Illegal Interference – Blocking Downfield on a pass play
Note: Should any of the above 4 penalties be challenged, all 4 types will be
ruled on
• Roughing the Passer
• Roughing or Contacting the Kicker
• No Yards
The following penalty may be challenged by the coach ONLY if it was called
during play
• Illegal Block Penalties on Kick Plays
I think the biggest problem by far is illegal contact. Why can that 10 yard infraction be challenged, and not something like holding? And who wants to see an I.C. challenge against a player who wasn't covering the intended receiver? I also think receivers are now sometimes "accidentally" running into DBs to give teams the option of a challenge.
It's obvious challenges are not going away. If I could reform the rule, I'd only allow them for pass interference and major fouls, in other words only penalties that result in an automatic first down. I also wouldn't be opposed to imposing a ten yard penalty for a failed challenge instead of a lost timeout.
At the very least, the illegal contact challenge has to go!