Advice for the Fords

[Neely2005]

Funny how slamming a "right wing" guy seems ok here....yet anytime a Lefty (like trudeau-lite) gets slammed,

The Mod's get involved almost immediately...hmmmm...

That said, its going to interesting how the mayor elect treats the Argo situation, will his past loyalties shine through?...or will he still be tied to the CFL hating rogers agenda????

I think Mike Clemons should have run for Mayor.

It's the Canadian way. Mayor Ford is an easy target because he's right wing and overweight. It seems to be socially acceptable to insult those two groups.

Pinball is to nice to be mayor of that circus. Canadian mayors don't have enough power, they're still only 1 vote.

[AngeloV]

Funny how slamming a "right wing" guy seems ok here....yet anytime a Lefty (like trudeau-lite) gets slammed,

The Mod's get involved almost immediately...hmmmm...

That said, its going to interesting how the mayor elect treats the Argo situation, will his past loyalties shine through?...or will he still be tied to the CFL hating rogers agenda????

I think Mike Clemons should have run for Mayor.

And what laws has Trudeau broken? The Ford thing has nothing to do with right wing/left wing garbage. I'll leave those expressions to others. He's a bad person. Plain and simple.

[AngeloV]

For one he has admitted to smoking marijuana, which like smoking crack is illegal.

Now you're being funny.

Compare that to: he was convicted of driving drunk, he lied during an investigation, and if you really want to compare smoking pot to smoking crack cocaine with a bunch of drug dealers, then go right ahead.

[Neely2005]

Now you're being funny.

Compare that to: he was convicted of driving drunk, he lied during an investigation, and if you really want to compare smoking pot to smoking crack cocaine with a bunch of drug dealers, then go right ahead.

You asked.

Well the penalties for smoking marijuana have been decreased over the past few years it doesn't change the fact that it's illegal. Also since Justin Trudeau said that he smoked marijuana in the past had he been caught he would have faced much harsher penalties than today. Either way he would have a criminal record which would disqualify him from traveling to the USA which would likely be a problem for someone who is trying to become Prime Minister.

[AngeloV]

You asked.

Well the penalties for smoking marijuana have been decreased over the past few years it doesn't change the fact that it's illegal. Also since Justin Trudeau said that he smoked marijuana in the past had he been caught he would have faced much harsher penalties than today. Either way he would have a criminal record which would disqualify him from traveling to the USA which would likely be a problem for someone who is trying to become Prime Minister.

Well, I guess you have educated me.

[argonaut11xx]

I am of the opinion that he is a very bad person. Even far worse than what has become public.

Hey Angelo, i agree 100% that we need to get the drug dealers off the streets.

IMO, Rob Ford is a good person who has made some very bad choices. Why?, who knows. Whatever your stripe, I do NOT believe you kick a man while he's down.

But back to the topic at hand...what will his (mayor elect Tory) true colours be if pushed on an issue involving the Argo's/CFL??..will he acknowledge and CFL loyalties?, or will he tow the party line from his current "CFL Hating" rogers position?

For one he has admitted to smoking marijuana, which like smoking crack is illegal.

100% correct...

[Double Dare]

The whole Ford family suffers from delusions of grandeur and an egotistical view of their station in life (that is their mental illness). Add the drug and alcohol abuse, and voila, you have a family that thinks it is hot ----, but is actually a bag o' ----. Blob is already talking about his return to the mayoralty in 2018 ... good luck! I hope he gets REAL help, and gets healthy on all fronts. Glad I moved from the circus called Toronto 8 years ago.

[Gill The Thrill]

Boy, now I know why I've stayed away from this board, actually it's more because I've been too busy...but to say that someone is a "bad person" and then sing the praises of someone who advocates legalizing Marijuana in an auditorium full of native high school students (who've traditional been terrible victims of substance abuse) is the oxymoron of oxymorons, hey, maybe remove the oxy.

And for all the marijuana advocates like Trudeau who may have not been affected at all by their use (could be debated)...it's extremely important to note that there has been much evidence to show that psychosis and other mental disorders have been associated in adults to a lifestyle of smoking marijuana from a very young age, as in the teen years when most people started using pot. Let's not talk about some of the social effects attached to it's increased use by teens. Usually it leads to decreased productivity in school, work or other interests such as sports and athletics. It can have long term affects, maybe not as pronounced as crack or as quickly as crack, but it's not exactly ice cream either.

I think Neely makes the best points about the establishment being up Ford's ass from day 1 regardless of his questionable activities. It's been the unofficial NDP councillors at City Hall that have been uncompromising and unwilling to work with him from day 1 and they've been led by their ringleaders at the Star, CBC and NOW to sabotage his mayorship. Sure he's done himself no favours but to be threatened with legal action for some of his positive activities like his football foundation was more than petty, it was visceral. This was a clear indication that his every action was being viewed through a much finer microscope than say...Dalton McGuinty's actions or Kathleen Wynne's actions with regards to who they've associated with. For a politician Ford had many friends (if you want to call them that) from untraditional sources for a Toronto politician. He mingled with many visible minorities from many walks of life in many neighborhoods where most of Toronto's established politicians would not even want to drive through...you'd think the Star would have celebrated that, but of course they would not because Ford was not their guy, a la George Smitherman, an admitted drug user whom they lauded as a great civic leader. Talk about hypocrisy at it's highest form.

To Angelo V, that beacon of moral high ground and high culture who quotes from Bart Simpson...(talk about laughable) if you're naive enough to think that any politician at City Hall, let alone anywhere else has never gone through life possibly doing something that could define them as a "bad person", who am I stop you from being naive, but present the full story. If you're going to put down Rob Ford for possibly drinking and driving as a municipal politician, use those same standards for councillors Bailao and Ainslee who have been alleged and charged for the same action. Be careful of the witchhunt that you wish upon others for you don't know how it can come back to bite you. In other words and much eloquently put and written, "May he who is without sin, be the first to cast stones."

[AngeloV]

To Angelo V, that beacon of moral high ground and high culture who quotes from Bart Simpson...(talk about laughable) if you're naive enough to think that any politician at City Hall, let alone anywhere else has never gone through life possibly doing something that could define them as a "bad person", who am I stop you from being naive, but present the full story. If you're going to put down Rob Ford for possibly drinking and driving as a municipal politician, use those same standards for councillors Bailao and Ainslee who have been alleged and charged for the same action. Be careful of the witchhunt that you wish upon others for you don't know how it can come back to bite you. In other words and much eloquently put and written, "May he who is without sin, be the first to cast stones."

If you believe that Ford's criminal activity doesn't go beyond personal drug use, then you are the one being naive. Ford is a bully, plain and simple. And for any Argo fan that supports the anti-bullying campaign the team has been involved with for quite some time, and then to support Ford to call me a hypocrite is quite humourous. And as far as those other members of council that drink and drive go, they too should be banished. Sorry Dude, I've never stood up for anyone that abuses their power.

[argolio]

It's been the unofficial NDP councillors at City Hall that have been uncompromising and unwilling to work with him from day 1 and they've been led by their ringleaders at the Star, CBC and NOW to sabotage his mayorship. Sure he's done himself no favours but to be threatened with legal action for some of his positive activities like his football foundation was more than petty, it was visceral. This was a clear indication that his every action was being viewed through a much finer microscope than say...Dalton McGuinty's actions or Kathleen Wynne's actions with regards to who they've associated with. For a politician Ford had many friends (if you want to call them that) from untraditional sources for a Toronto politician. He mingled with many visible minorities from many walks of life in many neighborhoods where most of Toronto's established politicians would not even want to drive through...you'd think the Star would have celebrated that, but of course they would not because Ford was not their guy, a la George Smitherman, an admitted drug user whom they lauded as a great civic leader. Talk about hypocrisy at it's highest form.

Yeah, let's talk about it.

As far as anyone knows (unless you know differently), Smitherman's drug troubles happened before he ran for office.

Just about every Star allegation against Ford turned out to be true. The Star was also the first media source to break most of McGuinty's scandals. Were you complaining about the Star back then?

So what if the Star and especially NOW didn't like Ford? The Sun and Post endorsed Ford in 2010. They're all entitled to their viewpoints

Ford definitely went to those (mostly) TCHC neighbourhoods more than any other politician, but the TCHC repair backlog actually went up under Ford. He was obviously there trolling for votes, successfully as it turned out.

As for Ford being under a finer microscope, he was the one dumb enough to say that he had nothing to hide, and then he actually invited the media to follow him. But the media didn't out him with those videos -- it was his own "untraditional" acquaintances, a.k.a. hardcore drug dealers.

Finally, Ford won most of his votes in year one (2011), so whatever NDP or media opposition he had meant little. What killed Ford was when the centre and then the right in council turned on him over the next two years. Ford's own stupidity is to blame for ending up being on the losing end of 40-2 votes.

[Gill The Thrill]

Now you use the word "Bully" to describe someone because you don't agree with them...how predictable? So which is it, "a bad person," or a "Bully." Any other new buzz words to stigmatize someone with.

Funny, don't you think someone could use a vague word like "bully" to describe how his detractors have treated him because he was democratically elected in the last election, let alone mocking him for his weight. Isn't that what 8 and 9 yr olds do to other kids when they can't get their way. Tease them, or bully them if you prefer, endlessly until they get their way.

[AngeloV]

Now you use the word "Bully" to describe someone because you don't agree with them...how predictable? So which is it, "a bad person," or a "Bully." Any other new buzz words to stigmatize someone with.

Funny, don't you think someone could use a vague word like "bully" to describe how his detractors have treated him because he was democratically elected in the last election, let alone mocking him for his weight. Isn't that what 8 and 9 yr olds do to other kids when they can't get their way. Tease them, or bully them if you prefer, endlessly until they get their way.

OK, you are right. I am wrong. He is the greatest person that ever lived.

[argonaut11xx]

Hey,

Lets not forget about Jack Layton getting caught in a baudy house way back when....

[ArgoRavi]

Hey,

Lets not forget about Jack Layton getting caught in a baudy house way back when....

So Layton maybe visiting a bawdy house 20 years ago has what to do with Ford lying and lying and lying some more about his numerous criminal activities?

[AngeloV]

So Layton maybe visiting a bawdy house 20 years ago has what to do with Ford lying and lying and lying some more about his numerous criminal activities?

Oh Ravi...be careful. You may be labeled as a "Pinko" with an attitude like that.

[Wobbler]

When does Tory officially take office? I'm tired of apologizing for living in Toronto.