July 19, 2013: Toronto Argonauts vs. Winnipeg Blue Bombers

[T-Bone]

vs.

Week 4
Friday, July 19, 2013 at 8:00pm EDT.
Investors Group Field. Winnipeg, MB.

TV: TSN
Video Webcast: Mobile TV - ESPN3
Team Radio TOR: TSN Radio 1050 - WPG: CJOB 680
Audio Webcast: TOR: Here - WPG: Here
Satellite Radio: SiriusXM

Depth Charts: TOR: Here - WPG: Here

Post Game: Bombers Bombed by Boatmen

[jerrym]

This is an important game for both teams obviously with all teams in the East tied with 1-2 records. The key questions for the Argos will be whether their defence can tighten up enough and whether the OL can provide decent blocking for Kackert and enough time for Ray to do more than dump the ball off nearly all the time. I recognize that qb ratings are not the end-all and be-all of determining a qb's worth. However, if the defence cannot hold down Winnipeg's low scoring team led by Pierce whose qb rating is 27 to 63 points below the first rank of CFL qbs (Ray-Burris-Durant-Lulay) and 27 points below even Calgary's Tate-Glenn, then it is in more difficulty than even I thought, as Simpson, a very good runner, gained 100 yards only in the last game after game totals of 35 yards and 55 yards. If they can't keep Simpson under control when they are facing a far from vaunted passing attack, then the Argos have major defensive problems that will not be easy (though not impossible) to fix by the end of the season, as we saw last year. Only Calvillo, whether it's a matter of age finally catching up with him or a former NFL head coach not designing a passing game designed to take advantage of the CFL game and Calvillo's quick release, and the inexperienced Mike Reilly rank below Pierce, and then only by 2 and 6 points respectively. By the way Collaros, based on extremely limited passing attempts admittedly, ranks 36 points ahead of Pierce and only 7 points behind Ray.
http://www.cfl.ca/statistics/league/.../2013/type/reg

[1argoholic]

We need to get the ball away very quickly into the hads of anybody but Ray. We do not need Ray taking a six or seven sack beating. Hopefully we can run a dink and dunk game plan as Winnipeg will be coming hard. If we can avoid to many sacks and hold onto the ball on long drives we can wear the Winnipeg D down. We can't play right into their hands. Obviously this team is a sacking machine. I wouldn't mind seeing a few direct snaps to Kackert. Some trickery would be nice. We've had issues getting the ball deep and the way Winnipeg comes at you we don't need Ray running for his life and getting killed.

[ArgoRedneck]

Week #2, 3 out of 4 on Pro Line. Week #3, 3 out of 4 also. Guess who cost me $260. Argos. Guess who I am taking this week. ARGOS.

[Ron]

I thought last game Ray had plenty of time. Problem was he had nobody getting open down field. A number of those sacks were coverage sacks.

[argolio]

Week #2, 3 out of 4 on Pro Line. Week #3, 3 out of 4 also. Guess who cost me $260. Argos. Guess who I am taking this week. ARGOS.

That's the spirit!

[294life]

Hopefully we can run a dink and dunk game plan as Winnipeg will be coming hard

and here I thought Milo was brought in to take him away from that plan. old habits die hard i guess.

[ArgoGabe22]

Not sure if this means anything with it being the first practice of the week and being shortened one on top of it but here are some observations...

Inman did not practice, Chiles took his spot. Durie looked fine and took reps, Bradwell was in gear and did some running on his own. The O-Line was Washington-Eppele(sometimes Smith)-Kepping-CVZ-King. Jalil Carter did not participate. I did see a lot of reps from Gatlin and Lawrence at CB. Also saw Pottinger take a lot of reps today, McCune was not injured or anything like that. Looks like Issac was playing at halfback, not sure because Jones' defence isn't very traditional. Looks like Pottinger and Horton are DEs but Lee is in there as well. Mister Alexander was the other starting end, I did not see Nekos Brown or the new signing.

[gilthethrill]

Chris Schultz predicts a Bomber victory....he points out the Argos employ 2 rookie DB,s side by side (I think he meant Jamie Robinson at cb, not Zander), but fails to mention Winnipeg was decimated with injuries and will starting more rookies on D. I think this will be the game Buck leaves early. Argos win to reclaim top spot in the East.

[mchesher03]

Argos should be fine provided they can keep some time of possession, capitalize on opportunities (big issue last 2 games with not converting for TD's) they'll be ok. With our current defence (no disrespect intended) - we need to put up more points than in previous years.

[EmDiggy]

Good afternoon Argo fans! Good luck this week!

Em

[ArgoRavi]

I think that we will see a better game from the Argo defence this week and a solid performance overall leading to victory. A loss to a Winnipeg team which I feel we are much better than would be extremely disappointing and frustrating.

[T-Bone]

Bombers leading receiver, cory watson, doubtful for friday after dan west tackled him on last play of practice--burke upset with west

— Bob Irving (@BobIrvingCJOB) July 17, 2013

[Wobbler]

I think the return of Washington (who is apparently now healthy) at LT will help enough for Ray to have a good game. We'll win, 31-17.

I really don't understand our OL personnel strategy this year - and I don't think the right questions have been asked - but it seems to take time for import tackles to learn to work with the interior guys.

[Wobbler]

Nice summary. Thanks!

[bluto]

lots of broken Bombers... hopefully the Argos take advantage of the opportunity to get back to .500 and hit reset on the season

[gilthethrill]

Argo D must take Chad Simpson out of the game and make Dollar Pierce beat them. Winnipeg's D looked good against a poor Montreal O two weeks in a row and again against Hamilton. Ricky Ray will be their biggest test.

[gilthethrill]

I think the return of Washington (who is apparently now healthy) at LT will help enough for Ray to have a good game. We'll win, 31-17.

I really don't understand our OL personnel strategy this year - and I don't think the right questions have been asked - but it seems to take time for import tackles to learn to work with the interior guys.

Why would the coaches take a good tackle like Van Zeyl and move him inside?

[Argocister]

Argo D must take Chad Simpson out of the game and make Dollar Pierce beat them. Winnipeg's D looked good against a poor Montreal O two weeks in a row and again against Hamilton. Ricky Ray will be their biggest test.

Hey this is Canada ...... It's loonie not dollar.

Why would the coaches take a good tackle like Van Zeyl and move him inside?

I was wondering that at the beginning of the season.... And thought maybe it was because VanZeyl knows the play book better? Or maybe he's stronger? Wasn't VanZeyl one of the top RT in the league last year?
Perhaps they are still experimenting and when the second half of the season rolls around he's back to Right Tackle.

[OV Argo]

Why would the coaches take a good tackle like Van Zeyl and move him inside?

It's more a "Canadian position" to a lot of the good ol , er, CFL decision making thinkers; a lot of former accomplished NI OTs have been moved to the interior O-Line in the CFL (like 6-11 O'Donnell with the Esks) and imports preferred mostly at OT (the Als have been starting 2 NI OTs for some time now though). Interesting that the Riders moved last year's top draft pick - Ben Heenan - out to OT this year and did not just hand the job to one of the import OTs they had in TC; Heenan is more a natural guard, but did have some CIS experience at OT - and is apparently grading out strong at OT for the Riders; also interesting maybe that the Riders play/"start" more Canadians than all other CFL teams now (no ratio need to start Heenan at OT) and they seem to be doing OK with it - i guess they don't have any "ratio problem" there now?