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  1. 10-02-2013, 06:56 PM #1
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    The Practice Roster

    It is PR expansion day in the CFL. But as of today, we only have three players on our PR; the transaction wire shows that we released Ronnell Lewis. There are one or two guys (e.g. Robinson and Bryant) that might go back on the PR when others get healthy, but three is a very short list! Either we're due for an avalanche of new guys, or this part of the team is being neglected.
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  2. 10-03-2013, 11:41 AM #2
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    It looks like Barker is using the 1 game injured list as the PR. Better for the players salary wise, I would think.
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    I'm sure we have agreements with some players that they'll stay either on the 46 or the IR, and in other cases we won't PR people for fear of other teams putting in claims, but it has always been that way.

    For the record, current PR memberships: Toronto (5), Montreal (10), Hamilton (11), Winnipeg (12), Saskachewan (10), Calgary (12), Edmonton (11), B.C. (8)

    This isn't a serious problem, but it would be nice to know that we have players in the pipeline.
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    All you have to do with the Argos and frankly any other team is to see how many players are in civvies wearing the team t-shirt on the sidelines during a game. Many times I can count into the double digits.
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    Point taken, AT. The CFL is a shenanigans-filled league and I'm sure we have unofficial "developmental" players who mysteriously hang around despite not appearing on the payroll. That stuff is hard to quantify, but it is easy to count PR roster lists. Do you have an explanation for why we've left seven slots open?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wobbler View Post
    Point taken, AT. The CFL is a shenanigans-filled league and I'm sure we have unofficial "developmental" players who mysteriously hang around despite not appearing on the payroll. That stuff is hard to quantify, but it is easy to count PR roster lists. Do you have an explanation for why we've left seven slots open?
    Exactly. That's why we have to increase the roster to 50 players and stop with the current nonsense of 46 active with 42 playing. What the heck does that mean? Why can't all 46 play? My idea is increase to 50 and try to police the remaining under cover stuff.
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    Hmm. You didn't actually answer my question...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wobbler View Post
    Hmm. You didn't actually answer my question...
    If we have a bigger roster per my numbers, the current abuse can be reduced considerably.
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    Quote Originally Posted by argotom View Post
    If we have a bigger roster per my numbers, the current abuse can be reduced considerably.
    You are the first on here to always complain about the NFL being a boring league. If you increase the CFL roster size to 50, it would mean that there would be specialists for almost every single play in the playbook based on circumstances (as is the case in the NFL), and reduce the amount of every play players. Don't you think that can be detrimental to the entertainment value of the CFL?

    There are many that would argue the CFL roster as is stands now is too big.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AngeloV View Post
    There are many that would argue the CFL roster as is stands now is too big.

    I am one of them -- have felt that way for several seasons.

    The "abuse" of the practice roster rules (if such abuse actually exists) is not nearly a big enough problem to necessitate increasing roster sizes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AngeloV View Post
    You are the first on here to always complain about the NFL being a boring league. If you increase the CFL roster size to 50, it would mean that there would be specialists for almost every single play in the playbook based on circumstances (as is the case in the NFL), and reduce the amount of every play players. Don't you think that can be detrimental to the entertainment value of the CFL?

    There are many that would argue the CFL roster as is stands now is too big.
    Not me. Conversely an argument can be made the quality of play suffers when starters are injured and replaced by back ups and in some case not familiar with the position. I have no specifics, but would also venture a guess how such scenarios may have resulted in injuries to the replacement player or regular starters.
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    Quote Originally Posted by argotom View Post
    Not me. Conversely an argument can be made the quality of play suffers when starters are injured and replaced by back ups and in some case not familiar with the position. I have no specifics, but would also venture a guess how such scenarios may have resulted in injuries to the replacement player or regular starters.
    We have seen many injuries this year to key players and I have not noticed any decline in the quality of play. Scoring, for instance, is up this year by two or three points per game.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ArgoRavi View Post
    We have seen many injuries this year to key players and I have not noticed any decline in the quality of play. Scoring, for instance, is up this year by two or three points per game.
    With a bigger roster as per my plan and therefore the reduction of the practice roster, this would enable a team to develop a player on the bubble or a rookie instead of risking in losing same. A Canadian QB comes to mind immediately.
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    Quote Originally Posted by argotom View Post
    With a bigger roster as per my plan and therefore the reduction of the practice roster, this would enable a team to develop a player on the bubble or a rookie instead of risking in losing same. A Canadian QB comes to mind immediately.
    With a bigger roster, you're cutting into what you can pay your starters. Every additional import would also likely cut into the number of Canadian starters. And if you're proposing a 4th roster QB, what would be the point of that? He would never get a second of playing time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by argolio View Post
    With a biggest roster, you're cutting into what you can pay your starters. Every additional import would also likely cut into the number of Canadian starters. And if you're proposing a 4th roster QB, what would be the point of that? He would never get a second of playing time.
    Keeping a Canadian QB as a specific spot on the roster would likely result in the eventual development and act as an incentive for all QB's playing in the CIS. There is no question a Russ Jackson type quality is out there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by argotom View Post
    Keeping a Canadian QB as a specific spot on the roster would likely result in the eventual development and act as an incentive for all QB's playing in the CIS. There is no question a Russ Jackson type quality is out there.
    Really? If there was a Russ Jackson type out there, he would be starting in either the CFL or NFL regardless of where he was born. Sorry...CIS is great football, but nowhere near the level of NCAA. There are maybe 10 players on most CIS teams that would even make a Div 1 NCAA roster. You won't see 1 starting NCAA db running a 4.8 in the 40, but there are many starting CIS DB's running that time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AngeloV View Post
    Really? If there was a Russ Jackson type out there, he would be starting in either the CFL or NFL regardless of where he was born. Sorry...CIS is great football, but nowhere near the level of NCAA. There are maybe 10 players on most CIS teams that would even make a Div 1 NCAA roster. You won't see 1 starting NCAA db running a 4.8 in the 40, but there are many starting CIS DB's running that time.
    If Russ Jackson was coming out now he wouldn't get the chance to play QB like he did with Ottawa. Ottawa brought him in to play DB and that was where he was on the roster until injuries forced Frank Clair to play him at QB. I've heard Russ tell the story himself.
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    Quote Originally Posted by doubleblue View Post
    If Russ Jackson was coming out now he wouldn't get the chance to play QB like he did with Ottawa. Ottawa brought him in to play DB and that was where he was on the roster until injuries forced Frank Clair to play him at QB. I've heard Russ tell the story himself.
    Understood, but my point is that there just aren't many Russ Jackson's out there. I love CIS ball, but knowing many people that have played (including some that have played in the CFL) and a few that have coached, I'll take their words that the overall caliber doesn't compare. It's hard to produce a pro level QB when the game just isn't as fast. They are too far behind at the start of their careers. Maybe bringing in undergraduates to TC (as Hamilton did with UWO qb Finch) will be a start to producing a future QB. I really hope so, but increasing roster sizes is not going to do anything to change the current situation. I still thing the biggest obstacle for QB's is the fact that their are so many have and have nots in terms of strength of teams and competition in the CIS today.
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    The quality of Canadian players playing in the CIS and NCAA has improved over the years. Similarly the QB's playing in CIS is awesome and there are plenty of names that should have been still playing in the CFL if there was a designated spot. No doubt in my mind some would have moved up on the depth chart to include even starting. Development is the key. Heck, look what our own Argos have done for the first time in decades. We have developed a starting caliber QB like Zach Collaros. There is no one that can tell me this couldn't have been done with our own Canadian born.
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