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    Quote Originally Posted by argofan87 View Post
    For the Argos to gain further acceptance in Toronto there has to be visible signs that the team is supported. Unfortunately, TV doesn't reflect this because all the critics can try to say is that he majority of people watching the CFL are not from Toronto.
    They can say that but it's not true:

    https://ca.sports.yahoo.com/blogs/eh...183017606.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by argofan87 View Post
    For the Argos to gain further acceptance in Toronto there has to be visible signs that the team is supported. Unfortunately, TV doesn't reflect this because all the critics can try to say is that he majority of people watching the CFL are not from Toronto.
    That is the point I was trying to make, but I didn't think I needed to go into such detail.
    It's us vs the rest of the country

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    Quote Originally Posted by argofan87 View Post
    For the Argos to gain further acceptance in Toronto there has to be visible signs that the team is supported. Unfortunately, TV doesn't reflect this because all the critics can try to say is that he majority of people watching the CFL are not from Toronto.
    I am pretty sure that I heard Mike Hogan say the other day that he has seen the Toronto TV numbers and they are quite good.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AngeloV View Post
    And that is good in what way? You say that as if the league and the Argos should be proud of that.
    True. Its not something to be proud of. Its the biggest hurdle the league and team must overcome. But you know as well as I know that even though no one talks about it, and even though no one admits it, people, whoever they are, are watching it. But its not like CFL is porn, and even though it may be treated like it right now, imagine the hurdle if there weren't even any closet fans. Its easy to be an NFL fan in this city, and not easy to be a CFL fan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by argos1873 View Post
    True. Its not something to be proud of. Its the biggest hurdle the league and team must overcome. But you know as well as I know that even though no one talks about it, and even though no one admits it, people, whoever they are, are watching it. But its not like CFL is porn, and even though it may be treated like it right now, imagine the hurdle if there weren't even any closet fans. Its easy to be an NFL fan in this city, and not easy to be a CFL fan.
    True that. People are far to easily influenced by what's popular to have all their own thoughts and opinions these days.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ArgoRavi View Post
    I am pretty sure that I heard Mike Hogan say the other day that he has seen the Toronto TV numbers and they are quite good.
    I'm sure that they are, but you and I aren't the people that need influencing. I still think as long as there is a sort of air of secrecy on the numbers then the haters will continue to hate. Heck, I'd bet that even if the TV numbers were shoved in their face they'd still find an excuse.
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    TSN Announces Pre-Season Broadcast Schedule:

    http://www.argonauts.ca/article/tsn-...dcast-schedule

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    Quote Originally Posted by Neely2005 View Post

    Before the cynics chime in with "it was only a bunch of Rider fans watching"...the Riders two previous games averaged only 575,000 viewers, so there must have been a lot of Toronto fans watching the Argos win!

    The Argos are also big in the U.S. with season high ratings on ESPN2:

    ESPN2 Hits New Season-High For CFL

    Monday’s Argonauts/Tiger-Cats Canadian Football League game drew 235,000 viewers on ESPN2, the network’s most-watched telecast of the season (nine telecasts). The previous high was set last Thursday by Lions/Blue Bombers (201K). (via ShowBuzz Daily)

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    Saturday prime time probably helped boost the numbers a bit as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Invader View Post
    Before the cynics chime in with "it was only a bunch of Rider fans watching"...the Riders two previous games averaged only 575,000 viewers, so there must have been a lot of Toronto fans watching the Argos win!
    I'm not trying to be cynical but I really wish they would show regional break downs for these ratings. I don't doubt people are watching but it would be nice to see how many and from where exactly. How many Rider fans live in Ontario also? I highly doubt all that sea of green traveled from the motherland and I'm sure many living in Ontario were watching.

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    Sas/to 874,000
    mtl/ott 667,000
    edm/bc 590,000
    wpg/ham 545,000

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    Quote Originally Posted by SnowRogue View Post
    edm/bc 590,000
    I have been wondering how those Thursday night games have been doing. 590k for a late Thursday night is very good IMO.
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    I know some people don't like TSN, but I think they do a hell of a job with their broadcasts, and that's from watching online, espn3.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KCargosfan View Post
    I know some people don't like TSN, but I think they do a hell of a job with their broadcasts, and that's from watching online, espn3.
    I agree. The announcers don't bother me, even Rod Black. Too many Flags, now that irratates me to no end.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KCargosfan View Post
    I know some people don't like TSN, but I think they do a hell of a job with their broadcasts, and that's from watching online, espn3.
    Well, you pretty much get the full TSN broadcast watching on ESPN3, minus the commercials of course. Its decent, not sure what people are complaining about, besides Rod Black. I really do not like him for many reasons.

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    It will be interesting to see the numbers tonight for the Argos game .....as well as the blue jays game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Argocister View Post
    It will be interesting to see the numbers tonight for the Argos game .....as well as the blue jays game.
    I'm pretty sure the Jays game is going to whip the Argos game this time. But given the Jays hype now, its completely understood. I'm pretty sure an MLB/NFL type situation where the MLB team was on a tear would have similar results in any market.

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    This is very concerning IMO.
    https://ca.sports.yahoo.com/blogs/eh...180511300.html
    8. CFL, Redblacks at Argos, Sunday, TSN: 324,000
    Lowest rated game since pre Sept 2009 (when the ppm became part of the new ratings system).

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    As long as the Argonauts are up head-to-head against the Blue Jays and the latter remain in contention then, unfortunately, that is just going to be the reality of the situation.
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