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    Three quarters of the way into the season, scoring is at 53.34 points per game which continues to put the league on pace for its highest scoring season since 2008. This comes at a time when the NFL has seen an alarming decrease in scoring. There is a certainly quite a contrast in offensive excitement between the two leagues these days.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ArgoRavi View Post
    Three quarters of the way into the season, scoring is at 53.34 points per game which continues to put the league on pace for its highest scoring season since 2008. This comes at a time when the NFL has seen an alarming decrease in scoring. There is a certainly quite a contrast in offensive excitement between the two leagues these days.
    CFL games averaged 53.09 points this season, which is the highest scoring season since 2008. The lack of QB injuries this season made a huge difference IMO.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ArgoRavi View Post
    CFL games averaged 53.09 points this season, which is the highest scoring season since 2008. The lack of QB injuries this season made a huge difference IMO.
    On our way up to the "91 season - I would love to see that again.

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    After one-third of the season exactly - ending after last weekend - scoring is down to 47.5 points per game. Unlike last season, we have seen significant injuries to the likes of Ricky Ray and Zach Collaros, which have undoubtedly reduced offensive output so far this season. However, after Thursday night's two games, the average bounced back up to 48.7 points per game so hopefully we will continue to see an upward trend from here. QB health and play will be the keys though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ArgoRavi View Post
    1974 36.93
    1975 43.05
    1976 41.94
    1977 40.93
    1978 42.75
    1979 40.22
    1980 46.47
    1981 48.55
    1982 51.88 (the elimination of the tight end is complete with everyone playing two slotbacks instead and the run-and-shoot emerges in Toronto)
    1983 51.61
    1984 50.67
    1985 45.36 (a drop in the level of quarterbacking, especially in the east where Ken Hobart was MOP and Condredge Holloway was injured)
    1986 47.90
    1987 53.07 (the rise of some good, young QBs such as Renfroe, Austin, Burgess, Dunigan, and Allen. The # of teams in the league reduced from 9 to 8)
    1988 50.28
    1989 54.57
    1990 61.86 (the peak years of offence are '91 and '92 with outstanding quarterbacking being the key. Doug Flutie is "lights out" during the 1991 season)
    1991 64.15
    1992 57.39
    1993 55.25 (the beginning of U.S. expansion)
    1994 57.19
    1995 53.61 (the final season with American-based teams)
    1996 50.96
    1997 53.01 (the final year for Doug Flutie and the number of teams is once again reduced from 9 to 8)
    1998 49.76 (concern over the seeming dearth of promising, young QBs arises)
    1999 50.10
    2000 57.68 (Anthony Calvillo emerges as a bona fide star QB in Montreal and Henry Burris lights up the scoreboard in Regina)
    2001 48.29 (Calvillo misses much of the second half of this season with an injury. Dave Dickenson and Burris have both left for the NFL)
    2002 51.22 (rookie Ricky Ray emerges in Edmonton and the Ottawa Renegades make their debut)
    2003 52.68
    2004 53.06
    2005 53.90 (the final year for the Ottawa Renegades)
    2006 46.67 (blocking rules are tightened on kick returns for this season resulting in fewer good returns; concern over quality of QBs returns)
    2007 49.11 (Kerry Joseph is MOP and only QB to start every regular season and post-season game for his team)
    2008 56.24 (Calvillo and Burris lead the return of the offences. Stubler's defence peters out in Toronto finally)
    2009 51.26
    2010 52.92
    2011 50.28
    2012 51.81
    2013 52.40 (despite so many injuries to quarterbacks, offensive coordinators do an excellent job preparing backups and general managers and scouts do an excellent job of finding quality quarterbacks)
    2014 45.48 (rosters expanded by two players; penalties increased substantially with much of that increase happening on offence and special teams plays)
    2015 49.19 (scoring was up almost 4 points per game with new illegal contact, convert and punting rules in effect; a CFL record 27 different QBs started games this season)
    2016 52.91 (offences returned this season as QB injuries were greatly reduced; of the five starting western QBs, only Darian Durant missed a couple of starts this season but the rest stayed healthy for the entire season)
    2017 53.09 (highest scoring season since 2008; few QB injuries this season contributed to dynamic offensive play around the league)
    I need to update this further but we are currently on pace in 2021 for the lowest scoring CFL season since 1979. CFL games are averaging 43.26 points per game after 46 games this season.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ArgoRavi View Post
    I need to update this further but we are currently on pace in 2021 for the lowest scoring CFL season since 1979. CFL games are averaging 43.26 points per game after 46 games this season.
    As I have mentioned before, The league needs to mandate spreading out the number of nationals on the field so that defence and offence have equal representation. Most teams are loading up with 10-11 Americans on D. They should have to declare minimum of 3 on each side of the ball, and if they declare 4 on O, and 3 on D, then that should be the minimum amount on the field for the entire game.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ArgoRavi View Post
    I need to update this further but we are currently on pace in 2021 for the lowest scoring CFL season since 1979. CFL games are averaging 43.26 points per game after 46 games this season.
    Please do update this when you get a chance, Ravi. It's not just scoring that's down, so is the number of offensive plays. The entertainment value has been declining for quite some time. IMO this is a serious problem that must be addressed, or the CFL will continue to decline at both the gate and in TV viewership.
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    Quote Originally Posted by paulwoods13 View Post
    Please do update this when you get a chance, Ravi. It's not just scoring that's down, so is the number of offensive plays. The entertainment value has been declining for quite some time. IMO this is a serious problem that must be addressed, or the CFL will continue to decline at both the gate and in TV viewership.
    Agreed. I really hope the league examines how to speed up the game by reducing dead time between plays.

    Do you think adjusting the kickoff rule so that kickoffs take place from, say, the 25-yard line instead of the 35 would be of much use in increasing scoring? In theory, it should make for shorter fields on at least a few drives each game.

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    The defences are where teams stack talent because, as in most sports, that's what usually wins. But it depresses game entertainment. Keeping in mind that defences are better, the quarterbacking has been somewhat off this year. Reilly and Harris are really showing their age, Masoli is not performing as well as before, Bo has been injured and doesn't seem as good now that he's playing again, Adams has also been injured and been inconsistent, Fajardo is not doing what he was doing last year, MBT and Arbuckle have played poorly at times, and Ottawa has been woeful in all respects. Collaros is the exception.

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    I have updated the points per game to include the past three seasons that have been played. I think that there has been far too much overreaction to a lower-scoring 2021 season after the league did not play in 2020, due to COVID. Does some rule-tweaking need to be done? Sure, and that isn't unusual for this league, but there's no evidence that we need a complete overhaul of our game at this point.

    Also, please have a look at this article which provides some details regarding points per game in the NFL: https://wtop.com/nfl/2022/01/scoring...than-40-years/

    While scoring in the NFL this past season exceeded that of the CFL, it wasn't as large of a difference as one might have thought.
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    I recently did a deep dive into stats from five years each separated by a decade: 1981, '91, '01, '11 and '21. Here's part of what I found. I used 1991 as the comparison year since IMO it was the most entertaining of these five years.

    Scoring Rushing Passing Sacks Plays
    Points vs 91 TD vs 91 Att. vs 91 Yds vs 91 Att. vs 91 Comp. vs 91 Yds vs 91 Allowed R+P+S

    1981 48.6 75.6% 5.1 75.0% 42 89.8% 196.4 75.4% 67.8 91.6% 38.2 96.5% 547.7 93.1% 5.8 115.6

    1991 64.2 -- 6.8 -- 46.8 -- 260.3 -- 74 -- 39.6 -- 588.5 -- 5 125.8

    2001 44.4 69.2% 4.8 70.7% 44.7 95.6% 229.9 88.3% 62.7 84.7% 35.7 90.2% 502.1 85.3% 4 111.4

    2011 50.3 78.3% 4.9 72.5% 39.5 84.4% 215.8 82.9% 66.9 90.4% 41.1 103.7% 528.2 89.8% 4.2 110.6

    2021 38.2 59.5% 3.7 54.6% 39.3 84.0% 199.5 76.6% 63.9 86.4% 41.7 105.3% 500.8 85.1% 4.9 108.1

    Scoring in 2021 was down 40% from 1991. TDs down 45%. Passing attempts down 14%, but completions up 5%. Offensive plays per game (runs+passes+sacks) down 14%. So we are getting 14% fewer plays (excluding kicks) and it is producing 40% fewer points and 45% fewer TDs. (Obviously the scoring and TD numbers are also affected by kick returns, but the change is massive nonetheless.) I don't expect we will ever return to 64 points per game, but I'd like to see changes that would return us to 126 offensive snaps per game, at least.

    I obviously could not get this formatted properly, so it's hard to read. If someone can point me to a way to insert a table I will redo it.
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    Scoring
    1981: 48.6
    1991: 64.2
    2001: 44.4
    2011: 50.3
    2021: 38.2 (59.5% of 1991 total)
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    Offensive snaps (runs+passes+sacks):
    1981: 115.6
    1991: 125.8
    2001: 111.4
    2011: 110.6
    2021: 108.1 (85.9% of 1991 total)
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    Quote Originally Posted by paulwoods13 View Post
    Offensive snaps (runs+passes+sacks):
    1981: 115.6
    1991: 125.8
    2001: 111.4
    2011: 110.6
    2021: 108.1 (85.9% of 1991 total)
    Long-time CFL player (multiple GC winner) and current Alberta Bears HC Chris Morris commented on a 3 Down article recently - about the boring, predictable, low-scoring CFL offences of lately; pointing out these are choices of the football decision makers/coaches who run the CFL - a limited, same-old bunch. And these dullards responsible want to change the nature of the Canadian game - 4 downs ; move the hash marks; more Americans on roster please - to make-up for their simpleton behavior ? Really pathetic IMO.

    Aside from Paul's very good point about the idea to change the CFL clock to allow more plays - to create more offence hopefully; there is nothing wrong with the CFL/Canadian game = it's the coaching dullards who have made the CFL what it is lately. Big changes needed; too bad the owners of CFL teams can't grasp this; keep recycling the same old clowns.

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    I don't disagree that the CFL has become plagued by too many teams using the same basic approach both offensively and defensively, but one easy improvement would be to increase the number of plays per game. This would definitely happen if the clock rules either went back to the old approach (starting the 20 as soon as ball and sticks are placed) or to a straight 30- (or 25) -second clock that starts as soon as the whistle blows the previous play dead. I don't see any reason why this wouldn't add 15 or so more snaps per game, which means 15 or so more opportunities to be entertained. Not sure what is needed to get more variety into how teams play offence and defence -- maybe hashmark changes or mandating x NATs on defence would help.
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    Quote Originally Posted by paulwoods13 View Post
    I don't disagree that the CFL has become plagued by too many teams using the same basic approach both offensively and defensively, but one easy improvement would be to increase the number of plays per game. This would definitely happen if the clock rules either went back to the old approach (starting the 20 as soon as ball and sticks are placed) or to a straight 30- (or 25) -second clock that starts as soon as the whistle blows the previous play dead. I don't see any reason why this wouldn't add 15 or so more snaps per game, which means 15 or so more opportunities to be entertained. Not sure what is needed to get more variety into how teams play offence and defence -- maybe hashmark changes or mandating x NATs on defence would help.
    Do you think a faster play clock could help the offenses in that defenses would have less time to read and react to the formations the offense is choosing? Or would the speed likely affect both sides equally?

    Also, do you know when the clock rule was changed from starting the 20 seconds as soon as the ball and sticks are placed?

    I'm OK with trying an adjustment to the hashmarks, and I'd definitely support mandating something like a minimum of 3 Nationals per team on the field at all times. (Actually, I'd like even more, but that's a separate issue.) I'm also hoping the league opts to push kickoffs further back so that offenses will be working with a shorter field to start each half and after each opposition score.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mocha View Post
    Do you think a faster play clock could help the offenses in that defenses would have less time to read and react to the formations the offense is choosing? Or would the speed likely affect both sides equally?

    Also, do you know when the clock rule was changed from starting the 20 seconds as soon as the ball and sticks are placed?
    I don't know precisely when the rules changed, but it almost certainly coincided with an increase in players on the game roster. Coaches would have insisted they needed time to make substitutions to use those players.

    IMO a 30-second (or better yet 25-second) play clock would prevent some situation substitutions, the vast majority of which are made by defences shuttling in rested pass rushers. I don't think it would have a huge impact on either side's ability to read and react to a play as it unfolds. But it would mean more snaps, which means more chances for something exciting to happen.
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    Quote Originally Posted by paulwoods13 View Post
    I don't know precisely when the rules changed, but it almost certainly coincided with an increase in players on the game roster. Coaches would have insisted they needed time to make substitutions to use those players.

    IMO a 30-second (or better yet 25-second) play clock would prevent some situation substitutions, the vast majority of which are made by defences shuttling in rested pass rushers. I don't think it would have a huge impact on either side's ability to read and react to a play as it unfolds. But it would mean more snaps, which means more chances for something exciting to happen.
    Good point about substitutions. I fully support a faster play clock. It also means fans spend less time sitting on their hands waiting for the next play to get off, which I think is an important consideration. Attendance and viewership really started to drop about ten years ago when video review and challenges were brought in (along with revised PI rules), leading to far more down time during games.

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    After 73 regular season games in 2022, scoring is now up to 50.62 points per game or 25.31 points per team per game. We are seeing a 7.52 point per game increase in scoring over last season. Interestingly, I understand that NFL scoring is at its lowest point since 2010.

    My feeling is that CFL scoring was down last season because of the missed season in 2020 as much as anything.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ArgoRavi View Post
    After 73 regular season games in 2022, scoring is now up to 50.62 points per game or 25.31 points per team per game. We are seeing a 7.52 point per game increase in scoring over last season. Interestingly, I understand that NFL scoring is at its lowest point since 2010.

    My feeling is that CFL scoring was down last season because of the missed season in 2020 as much as anything.
    Just imagine how much scoring there could be if the league didn't fast track the clock to make up for the added commercial time during games.
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