Will the Leafs fade?

**argolio** · 03-29-2012, 11:41 PM

The Leafs of the 80s didn't have a lot of prospects, and of the ones they had, they rushed too many of them to the big club. And Ballard was entertaining, but he was also cheap as hell.

Burke has put a lot of emphasis on developing young players. We'll just have to see how many of them develop (assuming he'll be around to see it).

**1argoholic** · 03-30-2012, 12:54 AM

They will give up on plenty of their young guys who'll go and play solid in smaller markets. Just look at some of the former Leafs doing pretty well in places like St Louis. I just hope they don't ruin a bunch of good young talent. Tonight was indeed very sad. In my almost 50 years and a fan since a very young age I don't recall a Leaf team fading this bad. Since Feb they've just DIED. Burke has created a mess. He cleaned house when he got here and started wanting a tough lineup but that changed and it seems to be changing back a bit again with Rosehill playing again. They don't know what the hell they're doing now. Nice to live in Canucks country as a Leaf fan.
By the way you should see the sappy lame ads they are running here for The Canucks now. This is home with a bunch of Canucks, former Canucks and fans trying to show that you shouldn't trash your hometown. Maybe they should lay off the killer strong BC Bud and alcohol with the redbull chasers and the city will be fine.

**argonaut11xx** · 03-30-2012, 03:28 PM

after hearing the chants of "Lets go Blue jays" at last nights game.....

i wish i would have kept my tickets for tomorrows game....only to be able to start a good....

AAAAA...RRRRRR...GGGGGG...OOOOOOO....SSSSSSSSSSSS

hehe

**1argoholic** · 03-30-2012, 04:39 PM

That would be nice to hear. Man how low can they go?

**1argoholic** · 04-01-2012, 04:49 PM

Nice to see them beat Buffalo as well as the Rock heading into Buffalo and beating the Bandits. A very rare GREAt night for Toronto teams. Hopefully we put a wrench in the plans of both of those teams as far as playoffs go.

**marcwagz** · 04-06-2012, 12:42 AM

if toronto loses saturday to montreal they can get the fourth overall pick in the 2012 draft
if they win they get 7th

I think the choice is obvious

**argolio** · 04-06-2012, 02:06 AM

Originally Posted by marcwagz

if toronto loses saturday to montreal they can get the fourth overall pick in the 2012 draft
if they win they get 7th

I think the choice is obvious

As if there's a "choice" at all. Will me yelling "lose Leafs, lose!" at my T.V. make any difference at all? Only in the imagination-land of some deluded fan-boys.

Both teams will try to win (as in any other game), and the chips will fall where they will.

**marcwagz** · 04-06-2012, 07:41 AM

Originally Posted by argolio

As if there's a "choice" at all. Will me yelling "lose Leafs, lose!" at my T.V. make any difference at all? Only in the imagination-land of some deluded fan-boys.

Both teams will try to win (as in any other game), and the chips will fall where they will.

would be better for the organization to toss the game, had they not gone on crappy end of year winning streaks in the past when they were already out of the playoffs they would have some better prospects already.

**argolio** · 04-06-2012, 06:36 PM

Teams do not intentionally toss games.

**marcwagz** · 04-06-2012, 07:54 PM

gm's do intentionally put worse teams on the ice/court/field though

**argolio** · 04-06-2012, 08:16 PM

No they don't. Anyone who believes a G.M. would intentionally endanger his chances of future employment is a fool. Not to mention that an NHL G.M. has little leeway to even try that in the cap era.

But for the sake of argument, I'd love to hear exactly what the Leafs should do to guarantee losing this one game to Montreal.

**1argoholic** · 04-06-2012, 10:37 PM

It still comes down to drafting the right guy. Right now they need a whole bunch of help.

**ArgoRavi** · 04-06-2012, 10:46 PM

From what I have read, this draft isn't a particularly notable one. I think that the Leafs should draft P.K. Subban's brother who is a goaltender and they may even be able to trade down in the first round and still get him. There is no need for shenanigans on Saturday night.

**Will** · 04-07-2012, 08:42 AM

Originally Posted by ArgoRavi

From what I have read, this draft isn't a particularly notable one. I think that the Leafs should draft P.K. Subban's brother who is a goaltender and they may even be able to trade down in the first round and still get him. There is no need for shenanigans on Saturday night.

No, the draft isn't supposed to be very notable. Goalies are rarely drafted in the first round Ravi.

**marcwagz** · 04-07-2012, 01:23 PM

there are much better talents of note than subbans brother.

there are 6 projected top line talents in this draft who would help the leafs

Yakupov, Grigorenko, Galchenyuk, Murray, Forsberg and Dumba

Grigs and Gally are centermen which is what the leafs need, murray and Dumba are dmen, murray is considered pretty much nhl ready.

You need to have at best the fifth worst record to hope to get the 1st overall pick (yakupov) because in the nhl lottery a team can only move up four spaces max.

After those six the rest of the pack is just projected to be grinders and not notable at the NHL level.

**marcwagz** · 04-07-2012, 01:26 PM

Originally Posted by ArgoRavi

From what I have read, this draft isn't a particularly notable one. I think that the Leafs should draft P.K. Subban's brother who is a goaltender and they may even be able to trade down in the first round and still get him. There is no need for shenanigans on Saturday night.

if we get a top 6 pick in no way on hell and earth should burke be allowed to trade down.
that would be a sure firing.

As for your doubting that GM's dont put bad teams out on purpose, they really do.

Look at the NBA. Colangelo could have signed way better players then he did, but he only signed mediocre players to one or 2 year contracts because he wanted another good pick this year.
The only problem is there are like 8 TANKING TEAMS in the NBA this year. Don't believe me, watch a game, they literally TRY TO LOSE its pathetic especially if they are playing against another bad team.

**argolio** · 04-07-2012, 04:06 PM

This is team sports, not scripted pro wrestling. I challenge you to give me irrefutable proof (not involving your imagination) that professional players TRY TO LOSE games.

**ArgoRavi** · 04-07-2012, 04:20 PM

Originally Posted by argofan87

No, the draft isn't supposed to be very notable. Goalies are rarely drafted in the first round Ravi.

While goalies are rarely drafted in the first round, Malcolm Subban is projected to be a first round pick. The Leafs need goaltending help badly and while he wouldn't be ready for a couple of years, I still say that the Leafs should draft him and perhaps by the time that they can contend for anything, Subban will be ready to contribute at the NHL level.

**argolio** · 04-07-2012, 04:25 PM

Originally Posted by ArgoRavi

While goalies are rarely drafted in the first round, Malcolm Subban is projected to be a first round pick. The Leafs need goaltending help badly and while he wouldn't be ready for a couple of years, I still say that the Leafs should draft him and perhaps by the time that they can contend for anything, Subban will be ready to contribute at the NHL level.

He might still be there in the second round if the Leafs are interested. If he has anything close to the competitive level of his brother, he'd be worth a shot.

**marcwagz** · 04-07-2012, 07:17 PM

its impossible to give you proof because obviously nobody would ever admit to it
but do you honestly think the oilers were doing the best they could to hire players to win games the last 3 years? think they were sad about being in last place?

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