Argos at BMO Field

**ArgoZ** · 01-18-2014, 09:48 AM

Originally Posted by Oarsman

What do you think the reality would be if MLSE bought the Argonauts, then acquired the Bills at some point and turned the Bills into the Toronto Argonauts of the NFL? Hmmm?

The way the NFL is being played today, would we even notice the difference? Our NFL Argonauts would have a few more seats filled and less kick returns, but the games would not be any less exciting. As a fans of both leagues, that is the hard truth.

I used to love the CFL because it was the better game. Since 2000, the games have become so similar, mostly by CFL influence and NFL copycats, I can not say truthfully the same. I know I would become an NFL Argonaut fan, even though I do not like that scenario at this time.

**paulwoods13** · 01-18-2014, 10:46 AM

Originally Posted by ArgoZ

The way the NFL is being played today, would we even notice the difference? Our NFL Argonauts would have a few more seats filled and less kick returns, but the games would not be any less exciting. As a fans of both leagues, that is the hard truth.

I used to love the CFL because it was the better game. Since 2000, the games have become so similar, mostly by CFL influence and NFL copycats, I can not say truthfully the same. I know I would become an NFL Argonaut fan, even though I do not like that scenario at this time.

I cannot disagree with any of this. The NFL offers a tremendously exciting and entertaining product, in no small part because it has copied many CFL offensive strategies. And over the past decade or so the entertainment value of the CFL has diminished somewhat, in part (IMO) because rosters sizes have increased to allow more defensive specialists and clock rules have changed to reduce the number of offensive plays. The CFL is still an entertaining product, but the days where there was no comparison between the two for entertainment value are long gone. Cue the "No Fun League" rebuttals . . .

**argotom** · 01-18-2014, 01:08 PM

Originally Posted by paulwoods13

I cannot disagree with any of this. The NFL offers a tremendously exciting and entertaining product, in no small part because it has copied many CFL offensive strategies. And over the past decade or so the entertainment value of the CFL has diminished somewhat, in part (IMO) because rosters sizes have increased to allow more defensive specialists and clock rules have changed to reduce the number of offensive plays. The CFL is still an entertaining product, but the days where there was no comparison between the two for entertainment value are long gone. Cue the "No Fun League" rebuttals . . .

Yes that's your opinion.
Mine and which many share, has the No Funners still with a far inferior product as the rules and the size of the field dictate by and large the running game with the 3 yards and a cloud of dust.

**ArgoRavi** · 01-18-2014, 05:06 PM

Originally Posted by argotom

Yes that's your opinion.
Mine and which many share, has the No Funners still with a far inferior product as the rules and the size of the field dictate by and large the running game with the 3 yards and a cloud of dust.

I still feel the pace of our game is quicker although the difference may not be as big as it once was. I am not sure that the NFL can be described quite as much today as "3 yards and a cloud of dust" as they have copied the CFL in recent years in the importance of and reliance upon the passing game.

**paulwoods13** · 01-18-2014, 05:41 PM

Originally Posted by ArgoRavi

I still feel the pace of our game is quicker although the difference may not be as big as it once was. I am not sure that the NFL can be described quite as much today as "3 yards and a cloud of dust" as they have copied the CFL in recent years in the importance of and reliance upon the passing game.

I think the pace of the two games has become very similar, with a possible edge to the NFL if we had access to detailed stats from both leagues. I've harped on this before -- the CFL's 20-second clock doesn't start until substitutions have happened. More often than not, that means the next snap happens 35-45 seconds after the whistle that stopped the previous play. The NFL has a 40-second clock that starts as soon as the previous play ends. And then you have a growing number of teams down there running no-huddle. The Patriots managed to run 91 -- 91! -- offensive plays in a game last year. CFL teams generally average between 45 and 55, and sometimes fall below 45. As for the "three yards and a cloud of dust" cliche, the stats don't lie. Running the ball has never been done as infrequently as it is now in the NFL, and throwing has never been done as frequently as it is now.

**AngeloV** · 01-18-2014, 05:58 PM

Originally Posted by argotom

Yes that's your opinion.
Mine and which many share, has the No Funners still with a far inferior product as the rules and the size of the field dictate by and large the running game with the 3 yards and a cloud of dust.

Sorry AT, but it is very hard to take any comments you make on the product of the NFL seriously. You have come on here countless times saying that you don't watch the NFL, so how in the world can you comment on the excitement factor of the game? Either you lie about what you actually watch, or you are just saying these things to spite those that do like the league.

**argotom** · 01-19-2014, 05:36 PM

Originally Posted by AngeloV

Sorry AT, but it is very hard to take any comments you make on the product of the NFL seriously. You have come on here countless times saying that you don't watch the NFL, so how in the world can you comment on the excitement factor of the game? Either you lie about what you actually watch, or you are just saying these things to spite those that do like the league.

I don't watch, unfortunately I am subjected to highlights when watching Sportscenter or other nightly sports round up.
In addition, nothing has really changed since I watched the NFL plus I do not need to be a regular or even a sporadic viewer to see the same rules and field.
The combination of these two plus no doubt bigger players with evolution especially the oversized linemen speaks into the unexciting brand and especially when compared to ours.