Argo talk with cohon on pt sports

[matthew]

McCown's interview had the negative slant all the way through. I'm glad we have Cohon as he could accept facts but put the positive spin on it where he could.
Typically Ontario attitude.... the stuff in my back yard is crap, the grass is always greener elsewhere. .... and I am from Ont. so I can say that.
The interview had a past influence, and "lets focus on all the bad stuff the Argos have gone through ".... rather than focussing on what is the direction for the future. This last part Cohon tried to bring to the forefront.
M. and partner (don't know his name and dont care to ) tried to expand on the negatives with the CBA discussions, but it was great as Cohon wouldnt' let them. I also like how Cohon talked about keeping the players up to date with the business of the CFL on a regular basis.


The positives I got from this interview....
There are alot of closet Argos fans
We get more viewing on TV than the TFC and the Raptors
the CFL realizies the importance of the ARgos and their market.
The CFL is putting their fingers in the so called ARgo pot and helping direct them
A few more Grey Cups for us? .... not only the city but the TEam?
Cohon is with the CFL for a few more years..... hopefully seeing the Argonaut ascension to domination! ( okay maybe that last bit was exagerrated )

Not to mention that during the RONA CFL Pool Days a large number of people listed the Argos as their fav team!!

[Will]

McCown's interview had the negative slant all the way through. I'm glad we have Cohon as he could accept facts but put the positive spin on it where he could.
Typically Ontario attitude.... the stuff in my back yard is crap, the grass is always greener elsewhere. .... and I am from Ont. so I can say that.
The interview had a past influence, and "lets focus on all the bad stuff the Argos have gone through ".... rather than focussing on what is the direction for the future. This last part Cohon tried to bring to the forefront.
M. and partner (don't know his name and dont care to ) tried to expand on the negatives with the CBA discussions, but it was great as Cohon wouldnt' let them. I also like how Cohon talked about keeping the players up to date with the business of the CFL on a regular basis.


The positives I got from this interview....
There are alot of closet Argos fans
We get more viewing on TV than the TFC and the Raptors
the CFL realizies the importance of the ARgos and their market.
The CFL is putting their fingers in the so called ARgo pot and helping direct them
A few more Grey Cups for us? .... not only the city but the TEam?
Cohon is with the CFL for a few more years..... hopefully seeing the Argonaut ascension to domination! ( okay maybe that last bit was exagerrated )

Nevertheless, the thing that has us here the most concerned is that there was no denial or response to the 3500 # that McCown put forth.

[Mulder]

A few more Grey Cups for us? .... not only the city but the TEam?
Cohon is with the CFL for a few more years..... hopefully seeing the Argonaut ascension to domination! ( okay maybe that last bit was exagerrated )

Just what we need, for the western teams to hate us for hosting Grey Cups! haha

Can't see where a Grey Cup fits in though in the next 7 years.
Hamilton was promised 2 in 7 years when they got a new stadium. Ottawa one within the first 4 seasons.

I can see the next 2 being hosted in Ontario, Hamilton than Ottawa(2017) Then a western team. Guess Toronto has a chance at hosting 2019 or 2020.

[Neely2005]

See if this works: http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/fan59...ly-2---6pm.mp3

If that doesn't work try this:

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Jul
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Listen Prime Time Sports - July 2 - 6pm
Wednesday, 6 pm: CFL Commissioner Mark Cohon and Bleacher Report's Will Carroll

[Neely2005]

If that doesn't work try this:

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Jul
2


Listen Prime Time Sports - July 2 - 6pm
Wednesday, 6 pm: CFL Commissioner Mark Cohon and Bleacher Report's Will Carroll

There's Video of it too:

http://www.sportsnet.ca/football/cfl...es-cfl-better/

Listening to it I see no reason the deal will not get done. Looks like (as we have surmised) that MLSE won't look at buying the team until after they are in BMO. Then the dynamics of the finances change.

I also liked how Cohon said they'd even toss Toronto another Grey Cup to offset the yearly losses Braley will be taking. I also liked how Cohon was honest about the Argos doing Jack crap promoting the team this season.

The one other tidbit about 600K+ watch the Argos play on TV ... and most of them come from Southern Ontario. So he's quantified that they have hundreds of thousands in this region (dwarfing Raptors and TFC) watching (large young people demo) but they haven't got them to come out to games.

So I didn't find it so scary in light of previou events

Radio ads on FAN 590.
Radio ads on AM 640.
Radio ads on TSN 1050.
Radio ads on Q107.
Local TV ads.
Home Opener contest on Global TV Toronto
Home Opener contest on Q107.
Home Opener contest on 94.9 The Rock.

That's doing "Jack crap"? (And BTW that's Not what Cohon said)


http://www.argofans.com/showthread.p...arketing-sucks

[Will]

I've only started noticing these ads recently though.

[BATKINSON001]

Listening to it I see no reason the deal will not get done. Looks like (as we have surmised) that MLSE won't look at buying the team until after they are in BMO. Then the dynamics of the finances change.

I also liked how Cohon said they'd even toss Toronto another Grey Cup to offset the yearly losses Braley will be taking. I also liked how Cohon was honest about the Argos doing Jack crap promoting the team this season.

The one other tidbit about 600K+ watch the Argos play on TV ... and most of them come from Southern Ontario. So he's quantified that they have hundreds of thousands in this region (dwarfing Raptors and TFC) watching (large young people demo) but they haven't got them to come out to games.

So I didn't find it so scary in light of previous events

It was a good interview, Mark also mentioned that the league would have to help the argos with marketing... though not sure if that's immediately or in the coming years.

[Neely2005]

Nevertheless, the thing that has us here the most concerned is that there was no denial or response to the 3500 # that McCown put forth.

Yeah that is concerning but maybe he's not allowed to give out the number so he just chose not to respond?

I've only started noticing these ads recently though.

They probably don't see the benefit of advertising when they don't have anything to sell. In the off season all that they can sell is Seasons Tickets. Once the schedule is out they can sell everything and it's probably easier to sell Seasons Tickets too because people know when the games are going to be.

[BATKINSON001]

There's Video of it too:

http://www.sportsnet.ca/football/cfl...es-cfl-better/



Radio ads on FAN 590.
Radio ads on AM 640.
Radio ads on TSN 1050.
Radio ads on Q107.
Local TV ads.
Home Opener contest on Global TV Toronto
Home Opener contest on Q107.
Home Opener contest on 94.9 The Rock.

That's doing "Jack crap"? (And BTW that's Not what Cohon said)


http://www.argofans.com/showthread.p...arketing-sucks

I haven't heard any of those... they need more tv ads though, but since its a rogers market they probably wont show them...

[T-Bone]

Yeah that is concerning but maybe he's not allowed to give out the number so he just chose not to respond?

Every other team in the league has put those numbers out there.

[paulwoods13]

Clearly whatever the number is, it is low enough that neither the league nor the team wants it public. I still believe it is in the range of the number that went to Varsity. Whether that means 5,000 or 3,500, it is not a number Cohon would like to discuss publicly.

[Will]

They probably don't see the benefit of advertising when they don't have anything to sell. In the off season all that they can sell is Seasons Tickets. Once the schedule is out they can sell everything and it's probably easier to sell Seasons Tickets too because people know when the games are going to be.

Schedule has been out since March, yet the ads seem like they've only begun recently.

[BATKINSON001]

Schedule has been out since March, yet the ads seem like they've only begun recently.

sounds like whatever marketing dept the argos had was a bit slow to get going...

[Neely2005]

I haven't heard any of those... they need more tv ads though, but since its a rogers market they probably wont show them...

1. TV ads are expensive and overrated. You can get much better bang for your buck through other mediums.
2. Rogers can't refuse to run ads unless they contain offensive material.
3. Argonauts radio ads are already airing on the FAN 590 which is owned by Rogers.

Every other team in the league has put those numbers out there.

Right the Team has. Cohon might not be allowed to release them unless the Team already has or the Team gives him permission to do so.

Schedule has been out since March, yet the ads seem like they've only begun recently.

I've been hearing the radio ads on FAN 590 and AM 640 for about 2 or 3 months now.

[paulwoods13]

Schedule has been out since March, yet the ads seem like they've only begun recently.

But you can't sell individual tickets to games in July in March -- no one buys that far in advance unless there is a chance of a sellout. You can sell season's tickets, and IIRC the team did have a lot of season ticket ads back then and even before the schedule came out.

[Will]

Yeah that is concerning but maybe he's not allowed to give out the number so he just chose not to respond?



They probably don't see the benefit of advertising when they don't have anything to sell. In the off season all that they can sell is Seasons Tickets. Once the schedule is out they can sell everything and it's probably easier to sell Seasons Tickets too because people know when the games are going to be.

Every other team in the league has put those numbers out there.

But you can't sell individual tickets to games in July in March -- no one buys that far in advance unless there is a chance of a sellout. You can sell season's tickets, and IIRC the team did have a lot of season ticket ads back then and even before the schedule came out.

Then I stand corrected about ads being present in the winter.

[Neely2005]

Clearly whatever the number is, it is low enough that neither the league nor the team wants it public. I still believe it is in the range of the number that went to Varsity. Whether that means 5,000 or 3,500, it is not a number Cohon would like to discuss publicly.

Unfortunately this is probably the most likely scenario. On the flip side that must mean that the Argonauts get one heck of a big walk up crowd.

[BATKINSON001]

1. TV ads are expensive and overrated. You can get much better bang for your buck through other mediums.
2. Rogers can't refuse to run ads unless they contain offensive material.

Rogers can and has put their own commercials on the air in place of other commercials, usually on american channels but still...

[Neely2005]

Rogers can and has put their own commercials on the air in place of other commercials, usually on american channels but still...

That's a totally different issue. That happens when a Canadian Channel (any Canadian Channel not just Rogers) is carrying an American Feed or an American Program. They will substitute Canadian Commercials that are paid for by Canadian companies. Why would they show the US Commercials for free? The US advertisers aren't paying them. The Canadian Channels will show the commercials that they are paid to show.

[argotom]

I'll spin it another way, it seems that some CFL haters really feel the need to be vocal about their dislike. McCown maybe simply speaking to those people.

BTW, I'm looking for any reason for optimism here, is it perhaps that Cohon knows the 3500 # that McCown is pushing is ridiculous and thus he felt it did not merit a response?

McCown is the hater, the lead cheerleader at Sportsnet.
3500 is a lie.