Global Climate Change

[Argo57]

The current round of international negotiations (in Lima) are unlikely to produce a breakthrough, but new commitments to CO2/methane emission reduction targets will probably be announced and at least that's something. And... I'd like to believe that even anthropogenic climate change-deniers can get behind the elimination of coal extraction and combustion. That needs to happen ASAP, for a long list of reasons.

Pollution in all forms should be curbed, I am typically not the tree hugging type BUT am convinced that the vast majority of diseases such as Cancer exist today due to the "chemical soup" that exists in our water and the air we breathe.
Common sense should dictate the fact we need to smarten up and quit abusing the planet.

[1argoholic]

Problem is we've made it worse in North America because pretty much all of the manufacturing jobs are now in countries like China and India where regulations are lacking and people will work for peanuts. They make tons of crap while polluting all the way and North Americans gobble up these cheap Walmart type goods. Two years down the road this crap is heading for our landfills. Now we're raping Northern Alberta and sending oil to China to help drive it's booming, polluting economy and culture. Plus since we have to move this oil so let's build a maze of pipelines though beautiful natural areas of our country. Oh I could go on and on as it's one huge trickle down effect.

Speaking of tree hugging. Did you know that the original meaning was for the loggers who climbed trees with a rope hugging around the tree while climbing? Somehow that term now has flipped to it's meaning of today.

[Double Dare]

Problem is we've made it worse in North America because pretty much all of the manufacturing jobs are now in countries like China and India where regulations are lacking and people will work for peanuts. They make tons of crap while polluting all the way and North Americans gobble up these cheap Walmart type goods. Two years down the road this crap is heading for our landfills. Now we're raping Northern Alberta and sending oil to China to help drive it's booming, polluting economy and culture.

So true, little or no human rights, little or no pollution laws in China. For the sake of making money, that is why Harper is kissing China's a@@. Believe it or not, China's economy is starting to slide ... maybe it will be a good thing ... less dirty industry there, less crap making it's way here.

[Ron]

There's a big difference between real climate change that has been occurring since the Earth was created and political climate change which is all about power and little else.

[Neely2005]

Change in global temperatures over a small time of 20 years does not constitute global climate change ... that timeline is way too small.
Here is a reading list from a well respected magazine, for your perusal. I am not going to debate this type of an issue on a football forum. There are way too many different backgrounds. But it is interesting that the intelligent Argofans are willing to discuss these issues ..... We may not be very loud and stand up for our team but we are smart! .... and probably good looking too ! (I may be biased)

http://www.scientificamerican.com/se...display=search

20 years is a long time when records have only been kept for about 100 years.

Religious types like Harper believe that you can rape the environment and somehow a god will fix it all. Bunk!!! Just tell the folks in the far north that climate change is crap.Pretty sure their way of life is a hell of a lot more affected then ours. I don't need solid pack ice to hunt seals. Everything humans touch turns to shite when it comes to our environment. I'm just glad I'll be dead.

http://www.cbc.ca/m/news/technology/...p-50-1.2465952

Pollution in all forms should be curbed, I am typically not the tree hugging type BUT am convinced that the vast majority of diseases such as Cancer exist today due to the "chemical soup" that exists in our water and the air we breathe.
Common sense should dictate the fact we need to smarten up and quit abusing the planet.

The interesting thing is that modern cars pollute very little. A gas leaf blower, gas lawnmower... (2 stroke engine) pollutes a lot more than a modern car does.

[T-Bone]

[T-Bone]

[jerrym]

HOW MUCH HAS THE GLOBAL TEMPERATURE RISEN IN THE LAST 100 YEARS?

Global average temperature since 1880. This graph from NOAA shows the annual trend in average global air temperature in degrees Celsius, through December 2013. For each year, the range of uncertainty is indicated by the gray vertical bars. The blue line tracks the changes in the trend over time. Click here or on the image to enlarge. (Image courtesy NOAA's National Climatic Data Center.)

Averaged over all land and ocean surfaces, temperatures warmedroughly 1.53°F (0.85ºC) from 1880 to 2012, according to theIntergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (see page 3 of the IPCC's Climate Change 2013: The Physical Science Basis,Summary for Policymakers - PDF). Because oceans tend to warm and cool more slowly than land areas, continents have warmed the most. In the Northern Hemisphere, where most of Earth's land mass is located, the three decades from 1983 to 2012 were likely the warmest 30-year period of the last 1400 years, according to the IPCC.

https://www2.ucar.edu/climate/faq/ho...last-100-years

Sorry about this late post, but this is the first time I saw this thread. I realize there is little point in posting this as the deniers will simply ignore the facts but here it is anyway.

It’s official: 2014 has taken the title of hottest year on record. That ranking comes courtesy of data released Monday by the Japan Meteorological Agency (JMA), the first of four major global temperature recordkeepers to release their data for last year.
The upward march of the world’s average temperature since 1891 is a trademark of human-influenced global warming with 2014 being the latest stop on the climb. All 10 of the hottest years have come since 1998.

Of course one's perspective can change depending on where you live. The island nations of Kiribati and the Maldive Islands are already negotiating to move their populations as sea levels rise due to climate change because much of the rest of the world doesn't want to hear about this, let alone do anything.

The Maldives will begin to divert a portion of the country's billion-dollar annual tourist revenue into buying a new homeland - as an insurance policy against climate change that threatens to turn the 300,000 islanders into environmental refugees, the country's first democratically elected president has told the Guardian.

http://www.theguardian.com/environme...climate-change

In what could be the world's first climate-induced migration of modern times, Anote Tong, the Kiribati president, said he was in talks with Fiji's military government to buy up to 5,000 acres of freehold land on which his countrymen could be housed.



Most of its 113,000 people are crammed on to Tarawa, the administrative centre, a chain of islets which curve in a horseshoe shape around a lagoon.
"This is the last resort, there's no way out of this one," Mr Tong said.
"Our people will have to move as the tides have reached our homes and villages."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...el-threat.html

Nothing focuses the mind on what is important in life like death.

[Neely2005]

What Global Warming? Record Breaking Cold Frustrates Fear Mongers:

http://youtu.be/f_53pbmiFHQ


Global warming slowdown 'could last another decade:

http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-28870988

"Scientists have struggled to explain the so-called pause that began in 1999, despite ever increasing levels of CO2 in the atmosphere..."

[argonaut11xx]

What Global Warming? Record Breaking Cold Frustrates Fear Mongers:

http://youtu.be/f_53pbmiFHQ


Global warming slowdown 'could last another decade:

http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-28870988

"Scientists have struggled to explain the so-called pause that began in 1999, despite ever increasing levels of CO2 in the atmosphere..."

Funny how only the leftist views are considered "correct" in this debate. Also funny how these same lefties have stopped using the term "Global Warming", and now use the VERY VAGUE term "climate change", which means basically nothing as the climate is constantly changing day by day.

Oh, and don't forget according to Al Gore's movie "An Inconvenient Truth", the environment should be destroyed by now (2015). Al Gore the man who once claimed he "invented" the internet.

I'd suggest this entire debate is "Green Business" on the left vs "Big Business" on the right, and nothing more.

Because the "Green's" have Hollywood on their side, they do make better movies, and documentaries on the subject, (even though most should be labelled FICTION.)

[Neely2005]

When you Google 'coldest February ever' it brings up article after article about city after city setting a new record for coldest February ever. Global warming, definitely global warming.

http://www.640toronto.com/2015/02/28...rd-in-toronto/

[T-Bone]

Global warming slowdown 'could last another decade:

http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-28870988

"Scientists have struggled to explain the so-called pause that began in 1999, despite ever increasing levels of CO2 in the atmosphere..."

Did you read anything after the first sentence of the article which you quoted above?

[jerrym]

It would help if you based your opinion on evidence rather than hearsay. Only 24 of 13,950 peer-reviewed articles on climate change argue that climate change is not happening.

Polls show that many members of the public believe that scientists substantially disagree about human-caused global warming. The gold standard of science is the peer-reviewed literature. If there is disagreement among scientists, based not on opinion but on hard evidence, it will be found in the peer-reviewed literature.I searched the Web of Science for peer-reviewed scientific articles published between 1 January 1991 and 9 November 2012 that have the keyword phrases “global warming” or “global climate change.” The search produced 13,950 articles. See methodology.

http://www.desmogblog.com/2012/11/15...-one-pie-chart

[T-Bone]

It would help if you based your opinion on evidence rather than hearsay. Only 24 of 13,950 peer-reviewed articles on climate change argue that climate change is not happening.

Are you saying you didn't find the "evidence" presented by Ezra Levant in that video convincing? Paraphrasing, "It is called global warming but it is cold outside. Cold is the opposite of warm, therefore global warming does not exist."

[argonaut11xx]

T-Bone...the only "sources" you ever quote as fact are "far left", and then you go on to hammer anyone who is "right of center"

I say again...Climate Change is a VAGUE statement, and means NOTHING, as climate is always changing.

Your obviously on the side of "GREEN BUSINESS", and thats ok....both sides have so called scientists, who can MAKE any conclusions they want.

The Suzuki's of the world are part of the "1%'ers", that you(greenies) are suppose to be fighting against (Al Gore??..hahaha..watch his fictional movie today..wow)

[T-Bone]

T-Bone...the only "sources" you ever quote as fact are "far left", and then you go on to hammer anyone who is "right of center"

NASA and Neil deGrasse Tyson are "far left?"

I say again...Climate Change is a VAGUE statement, and means NOTHING, as climate is always changing.

Let me clarify what is being discussed here then. The existence of the rise of global temperature as a result of humans.

Your obviously on the side of "GREEN BUSINESS", and thats ok....both sides have so called scientists, who can MAKE any conclusions they want.

Nothing annoys me more than when someone tries to tell me what I'm for or what I believe, please speak for yourself. In this case I'm arguing for scientific truth. The scientific community is at a consensus that the global temperature is rising and that we are effecting it. This shouldn't be a political "debate" as some politicians have turned it into. Scientists that make up any conclusion they want are not scientists, their propagandists.

[jerrym]

Not only was 2014 the warmest year on record

The globally averaged temperature over land and ocean surfaces for 2014 was the highest among all years since record keeping began in 1880. The December combined global land and ocean average surface temperature was also the highest on record.

http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/sotc/summar...global/2014/12

January picked up right where 2014 left off: with unusually warm temperatures recorded around the world.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/weathe...port/23684037/

and February 2015 was well above the monthly global average, although slightly cooler than January, as you can see from the chart below.

http://www.reportingclimatescience.c...e-anomaly.html

The following article from the Economist (which is a RIGHT-wing magazine but does examine evidence) explains how you can have cold winters in some regions as the world continues to warm.

Much of the United States has experienced four unusually freezing winters in succession. Surely that contradicts the notion that the Earth’s climate is warming up?Not necessarily, for two reasons. First, the climate and the weather are not the same: they are related, but weather patterns develop and change over hours, days and weeks; the climate changes over years and decades. And second, the American landmass is just one small part of the surface of the globe. While temperatures have been well below average across much of the United States, other parts of the world have been abnormally warm. And indeed, there may be a connection between climate change and colder winters in parts of the northern hemisphere. The link is the Arctic region. Because the poles are colder than the equator, air streams north and south in order to equalise temperatures. In the northern hemisphere, this flow is called the jet stream. Because of the rotation of the Earth, the stream turns right as the planet spins, and flows in a wavy line around the pole, like a badly cut monk's tonsure. In the northern hemisphere the jet stream brings up warmer air from the south, producing more temperate weather in the northern regions over which it flows.
But the Arctic is warming faster than the rest of the Earth. Since the mid-1990s, temperatures at the northern pole have risen almost three times as much as they have at temperate latitudes. So the difference between the poles and the equator is narrowing. This seems to be affecting the jet stream, and could change its moderating effect on northern weather. According to Jennifer Francis of Rutgers University, in the northern hemisphere westerly wind speeds seem to have weakened since the mid-1990s. As the flow has faltered, the undulations of the jet stream have become more marked, with gentle waves turning into bigger loops. Inside the loops, low-pressure areas of cold air build up, producing “polar vortices” and other freezing weather patterns in America and (especially) northern Siberia—even while the Arctic warms.

http://www.economist.com/blogs/econo...ist-explains-2

Believe it or not, scientists are inherently conservative, both in the predictions that they make in that they only talk about the trends they see in the data, and in their desire to conserve life on this planet (currently species are disappearing at 1,000 times the rate in the fossil record - in part due to climate change, as well as loss of habitat, overfishing, etc.).

The global loss of species is even worse than previously thought, the London Zoological Society (ZSL) says in its new Living Planet Index.The report suggests populations have halved in 40 years, as new methodology gives more alarming results than in a report two years ago.
The report says populations of mammals, birds, reptiles, amphibians and fish have declined by an average of 52%.

http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-29418983

[Wobbler]

...both sides have so called scientists, who can MAKE any conclusions they want.

If you truly think that experts are all lying in order to make money, I feel sorry for you. It can't be pleasant to be that cynical.

In the scientific community, valid data and correct interpretations are actually pretty important. It's true that we occasionally fall in love with our own hypotheses and try to pick data that support them, but that's just not sustainable once other people get involved. The consensus opinion is pretty reliable.

[Double Dare]

It's true that we occasionally fall in love with our own hypotheses and try to pick data that support them,

... or just ignore reality and stick your head in the sand (not directed towards you Wobbler).

[argonaut11xx]

It's true that we occasionally fall in love with our own hypotheses and try to pick data that support them,

This sum up the debate completely.