Global Climate Change

[jerrym]

This sum up the debate completely.

You must be looking at yourself in the mirror when you side with the 24 climate change denier research papers rather than the 13,926 peer-reviewed articles with evidence supporting the hypotheses they were testing. As is so typical of climate change deniers, you present no evidence, just denial. This is similar to the cigarette industry's denials of smoking's connection to cancer because the climate change deniers have copied the cigarette industry's approach to evidence against their interests.

In fact, the number 1 climate change denier, Willie Wei-hock Soon, has just been discredited on February 24th, 2015 (see below).

Major newspapers boasted front page headlines shaking up the climate change denialcommunity yesterday after Greenpeace released documents linking corporate funding to Willie Wei-hock Soon, a major source of science supporting the viewpoints of people who question whether mankind is causing global warming. The papers, acquired by Greenpeace via a freedom of information act request, demonstrate that the scientific publications resulting from this funding do not comply with ethical practices for disclosing conflicts of interest.The Washington Post calls Willie Wei-hock Soon the "high priest" of climate change denialists. The New York Times compares the denialists to Big Tobacco, using money to generate the appearance of scientific doubt.
A look at the papers uncovered by Greenpeace indicates that these statements are not hyperbole. Of course, finding funding can be hard work, and a lot of what Willie Wei-hock Soon writes in his proposals could be mistaken as efforts to get money for serious science. We also want to emphasize that good science requires some people to investigate hypotheses that run counter to the accepted wisdom. But when corporate funding steps in, science goes terribly off track on a couple of key points.
One could perhaps overlook the fact that calling research papers 'deliverables' makes it sound like a consulting effort rather than a scientific pursuit. Including power-point presentations for lobbying in the expected outcomes of the research rather puts the objectivity of the project in question.

http://www.treehugger.com/corporate-...cientists.html

[argonaut11xx]

This is similar to the cigarette industry's denials of smoking's connection to cancer because the climate change deniers have copied the cigarette industry's approach to evidence against their interests.

I agree that there is "climate change", however global warming is another story. Funny you bring up the cigarette company's. I find the "Pot-Head" lobbiest in a very similar boat. Smoking of ANY kind is dumb, especially the turbo-charged DOPE thats around these days. If people want it for medical reasons, take it in PILL form.

Im not against being kind to old mother nature, i just find it very OBVIOUS, that its a battle of INDUSTRIES, (Green Business vs Big Business).

[Wobbler]

I find the "Pot-Head" lobbiest in a very similar boat. Smoking of ANY kind is dumb...

It's a shame that you don't trust science, because this has been studied. Cannabis tar does indeed contain some of the same carcinogens as tobacco tar (e.g. ref), and certainly isn't "safe". Exposure rates are much lower, though; there's no equivalent of a "pack-a-day" cannabis smoker.

Back to climate change: Willie Soon may be a mediocre researcher, but I'm impressed by the way other scientists have rallied to support him against governmental interference. The problem isn't that scientists are doing a bad job of getting answers - it is that some politicians are choosing to believe fringe scientists instead of trusting the overwhelming majority.

[Double Dare]

- it is that some politicians are choosing to believe fringe scientists instead of trusting the overwhelming majority.

... because of the pressures of big businesses and the money to be made. Harper was crying when gas prices fell ... not only was he losing money for his coffers (budget, with an upcoming election), but "The Patch" (his money-making machine, and an environmental disaster area) was also crying the blues.

[1argoholic]

Hey argonaut11xx, it's great to be back in an area where I don't have to pass,honk at or give the middle finger to stoned drivers daily. I don't have to smell pot everywhere I go like I did in BC for 11 years. I'm not against pot and have dabbled here or there over the years but BC takes it to an over the top level. The butter, cookies, brownies and that's just for breakfast. haha.

Whenever big business and money is the issue people turn a blind eye. Or in the case of Harper who belongs to an over the top church in Cowtown it's money and the fact that he thinks God will fix the world one day. Fort Mac is a train wreck of an environmental mess that is screwed for good. Now we have trains hauling crude and running off the tracks and blowing up like what happened in Gogama Ontario on Sat.
Climate change is the real deal. Just ask people in the very far reaches of Canada who it effects now. Not to mention nature which Harper gives a rats arse about as well.

[jerrym]

The evidence keeps piling up about global warming.

This winter may have brought a deep freeze to much of the northeastern United States — including record-breaking snowfall in Boston — but it was the planet's warmest winter on record, climate scientists announced yesterday (March 18).The average global temperature from December to February was 1.42 degrees Fahrenheit (0.79 degrees Celsius) higher than the 20th-century average of 53.8 degrees F (12.1 degrees C), according to a newly released report from the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration's (NOAA) National Climatic

Data Center

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http://www.livescience.com/50189-war...nter-2015.html

More evidence has also come from the increased hurricane (which are called cyclones in the Pacific) frequency, length of the hurricane season and hurricane intensity. Last week, the island nation of Vanuatu was devastated by Cyclone Pam with winds that hit over 200 mph, one of the highest wind speeds in history. Last year, Cyclone Haiyan brought extensive death and destruction to the Philippines with the highest hurricane/cyclone speeds in history. This kinds of storms are exactly what was predicted by climatologists and their supercomputer models, as rising temperatures provide the heat energy to fuel these superstorms.

Late last week, one of the strongest tropical cyclones on record in the South Pacific made a direct hit on the island nation of Vanuatu, leaving more than 20 people dead and massive destruction in its wake.
Tropical Cyclone Pam’s sustained winds of 165 mph and gusts nearing 200 ripped trees from the ground and flattened homes. In the course of a day, Tropical Cyclone Pam intensified from the equivalent of a category 2 hurricane to a category 4, before going on to become just the second category 5 on record to directly hit an island in the South Pacific. At the time, Pam was the strongest of four concurrent cyclones in the western Pacific and Indian oceans. ...
In a post on the climate science blog RealClimate, MIT meteorologist Kerry Emanuel dissects the science embodied in the question, coming to the conclusion that “while Pam and Haiyan, as well as other recent tropical cyclone disasters, cannot be uniquely pinned on global warming, they have no doubt been influenced by natural and anthropogenic climate change and they do remind us of our continuing vulnerability to such storms.”

Ocean surface temperature is often the first connection that comes to mind when considering how global warming could impact tropical cyclones. But more important to how strong a tropical cyclone’s winds could become — its potential intensity — is the difference between ocean temperature and the surrounding, high-level air temperature, and global warming impacts both.
[Wind analysis sheds light on Vanuatu's destruction]
Emanuel dug into past ocean and atmospheric temperature and found that potential intensity has been increasing in the region where Tropical Cyclone Pam formed. He found about a 5.5-mile-per-hour increase in potential intensity per decade in the region — meaning that with every passing decade, the upper limit on how intense tropical cyclones can become has increased by over 5 mph. Emanuel’s results were similar to other studies, as well.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/capital-weather-gang/wp/2015/03/18/top-hurricane-expert-climate-change-influenced-tropical-cyclone-pam/

All global warming have is denials, but not one iota of evidence to support their view.

[1argoholic]

I believe climate change is indeed happening except in Jan and Feb 2015 in The Kawarthas. haha. Not one day above zero or close to zero in 50 to 60 straight days.

[Double Dare]

I believe climate change is indeed happening except in Jan and Feb 2015 in The Kawarthas. haha. Not one day above zero or close to zero in 50 to 60 straight days.

Another thing that doesn't happen in the Kawartha is underwear change.

[1argoholic]

Go shovel some snow you lazy SOB!

[jerrym]

Even Stephen Harper now admits the indisputable - climate change is happening and we need to do something about it. The only problem is he dragged his feet at the G7 meeting last week until the others agreed to decarbonize our industries by 2100 instead of 2050 as most of the other leaders of the most of the world's largest economies wanted. The question is does Harper, whose government plans to triple tar sands production by 2030, intend to actually do anything about it or repeat the same approach of the Liberals who signed the 1997 Kyoto Accord but allowed carbon dioxide emissions climb dramatically until they lost power in the 2005 election.

Canada’s energy sector will have to transform itself to lower greenhouse gas emissions in the long term, Prime Minister Stephen Harper said Monday.

He was commenting at the end of the G7 leaders’ summit, which called on its members to put their energy sectors on a low-carbon footing by 2050, a move with serious implications for Canada’s greenhouse-gas-emitting oilsands.

German Chancellor Angela Merkel fell short of her goal of pushing her fellow leaders to a broad, iron-clad commitment to a low-carbon economy by 2050. Instead, the G7 agreed to a full-blown no-carbon economy, but not until 2100. ...

Asked what this means for Canada’s energy sector, Harper said:

Nobody’s going to start to shut down their industries or turn off the lights. We simply got to find a way to create lower-carbon emitting sources of energy.”

Harper took part the G7 leaders’ shortened talks on climate change as the summit entered its second and final day.

“All leaders understand that to achieve these kinds of milestones over the decades to come will require serious technological transformation,” Harper said.

The Canadian Press has been told by sources who saw the working draft of the G7’s climate-change communique that Canada and Japan worked behind the scenes to water down the statement.

Merkel placed the fight against climate change at the heart of her sweeping agenda. ...

Merkel had been pushing the G7 to endorse a pledge to reach zero carbon emissions, but Canada and Japan were holdouts.

“Canada and Japan are the most concerned about this one,” said one source who was privy to discussions but would only speak on the condition of anonymity.

“The two of those countries have been the most difficult on every issue on climate. They don’t want any types of targets in there, so I think they are trying to make it as vague as possible at this point.”

http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2...te-change.html

[jerrym]

Even the Pope is speaking out about the need to deal with climate change because of the overwhelming evidence of the damage it is and will cause.

The climate is messed up and people have to fix it.

The climate is a common good, belonging to all and meant for all. At the global level, it is a complex system linked to many of the essential conditions for human life. A very solid scientific consensus indicates that we are presently witnessing a disturbing warming of the climatic system. In recent decades this warming has been accompanied by a constant rise in the sea level and, it would appear, by an increase of extreme weather events, even if a scientifically determinable cause cannot be assigned to each particular phenomenon. Humanity is called to recognize the need for changes of lifestyle, production and consumption, in order to combat this warming or at least the human causes which produce or aggravate it.

http://www.wired.com/2015/06/popes-m...e-mind-blower/

[Ballstothewall]

Argonaut11xx we can agree on the love of our team and CFL but I'm a total environmentalist. I care more about nature and the David Suzuki's of the World rather then DICKS like PM Harper who loves nothing more then to trash our planet. He has the total BS beliefs that his god or jesus will be back to heal all the damage that he's done.
Oh and a big F to the Fort Macs of the world.
I'd feel worse if one of my Red and Grey Squirrels or Chipmunks was hit in front our house rather than a person. People that feel they're rulers of this planet are misguided. Basically people piss me off.

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/09/2...data-sets-are/
Suzuki loves his money and young ladies to escort him around college campuses. Let's keep it to football. I have banned myself for 1 day for posting this

[1argoholic]

Whatupwiththat is right. Literally at site dedicated to Global Warming skeptics. I couldn't even follow what that discombobulated mess meant. No wonder why Suzuki may have been confused or perhaps high. He's a brilliant man and not the only scientist who believes in the worlds environmental ills. Sorry that this post has been turned into an environmental debate but I'm just posting to respond.
Everyone has their own beliefs but I'm always going to side with studies and science as I'm not a religious based guy as everyone knows. Religion is all to far fetched to me. The bible to me is a story book. Perhaps one day people will believe that Batman was a god.
Now do I have to ban myself. haha.

[Gill The Thrill]

Yeah, it's beyond me how Mike Harris kept his job as long as he did.

Seriously, keep political opinions the F out of the double blue room.

Political opinions are fun and real interesting, keep posting. There's only so much BS we could spin about coaches, players, football and BMO field.

Tropical winter for 2016 eh, I guess that means the words, "Global Warming" may become fashionable again. Just as we were getting used to hearing about "climate change" because our winters have gotten colder in the last decade with the Great Lakes freezing over last year for the 1st time in years. Time to bring out the hockey stick graphs and computer animation of drowning polar bears who can't find ice. ...just to bowtie this whole post in relation to football, this means we may have another mud bowl in one of the upcoming Grey Cups...BMO will have grass in between the endzones which would make for an interesting muddy field. Mud everywhere save for the endzones, interesting.

[1argoholic]

I love to drop a few political comments whenever I get the urge. Like STOP HARPER as the stop sign says on our front door. Let's face it everyone votes for their own agenda. I'm not religious, especially a roller like Harper and I care about the environment. I'm not a member of the wealthy club. I'm not a union dude or socialist so the NDP is out. Green would be tossing my vote away so to me Justin is ready. Politics is messed up at the best of times so you just have to get out and VOTE!! No vote, No bitch and complain!!!!

[R.J]

Political opinions are fun and real interesting, keep posting. There's only so much BS we could spin about coaches, players, football and BMO field.

Tropical winter for 2016 eh, I guess that means the words, "Global Warming" may become fashionable again. Just as we were getting used to hearing about "climate change" because our winters have gotten colder in the last decade with the Great Lakes freezing over last year for the 1st time in years. Time to bring out the hockey stick graphs and computer animation of drowning polar bears who can't find ice. ...just to bowtie this whole post in relation to football, this means we may have another mud bowl in one of the upcoming Grey Cups...BMO will have grass in between the endzones which would make for an interesting muddy field. Mud everywhere save for the endzones, interesting.

I really wish the words "climate change" would just be abolished, every time I hear people say it I just shake my head.

[Double Dare]

I really wish the words "climate change" would just be abolished, every time I hear people say it I just shake my head.

After shaking it, stick it back in the sand. Climate change is REAL.

[R.J]

After shaking it, stick it back in the sand. Climate change is REAL.

Not what I meant, but thanks for coming out.
Global Warming is the proper term IMO. Climate change only came around because people didn't understand that Global Warming means the entire world is getting warmer each year and due to the Planet trying to regulate itself, some areas will see colder winters (which seemed to confuse people). The point still remains each year the Planet Earth's temperature is rising, the ice caps and shelves are melting at alarming rates. The amount of pollution (radioactive waste among other things) that's being dumped each year in the Pacific Ocean by China and Japan is absolutely sickening. Oceans can actually clean around 3-4 gigatons of CO2 each year, we're emitting and dumping almost 4 times that amount.

[jerrym]

For those who keep denying that climate change is real, the evidence keeps getting in your way that it is not only real, but is already happening.

The hottest year in recorded history is coming to a close with a wave of extreme weather and ecosystem shifts, from unprecedented flooding in the UK to dangerous deluges in South America.
Looking back at 2015, it is clear that such extremes are not the exception, but have been the rule for the past 365 days and beyond. Such weather is linked to this year’s exceptionally strongEl Niño, which is tied to human-made global warming. ...


Here are 10 freakish weather extremes in 2015 that in 2016 and beyond—and underscore the urgency of strong and effective adaptation, mitigation, and emissions reductions policies.
1. An Arctic heat wave at the end of December caused temperatures in the North Pole to spike 60 degrees Fahrenheit above the norm for the season, soaring past the freezing point and making the region hotter than cities across the U.S. and Europe.
2. This winter’s El Niño event touched off severe floods in late December across South America, including in Paraguay, Uruguay, Brazil and Argentina, displacing more than 150,000 people.
3. Heavy rains last week caused the Mississippi River and its tributaries to overflow, touching off historic flooding in the U.S. Midwest. Climate scientists say that one of the most remarkable things about the deluge is the timing. “Never before has water this high been observed in winter along the levee system of the river,” meteorologist Jeff Masters explained.
4. South Africa faces its worst drought in a generation, amid soaring temperatures and paltry rainfalls believed to be worsened by El Niño. While the long-term impacts are not immediately known, at least 29 million people in southern African nations face food insecurity, according to UN estimates.
5. Due to a prolonged and ongoing drought in Ethiopia, more than 10 million people are in need of emergency food aid.
6. In November, more then 1.1 million people were impacted—and 40,000 displaced—after a powerful and rare cyclone dumped a year’s worth of rain on Yemen. Humanitarian groups warned that the impact on residents was worsened by Saudi Arabia’s seven-month bombing campaign that continued through the storm.
7. More than 1.2 million people in the Philippines were impacted—and dozens killed—by a mega-typhoon, known as Lando, which hit in October. “Our survival is non-negotiable,” 20,000 people declared at a mass march in Tacloban in November, calling attention to the ongoing harm from the separate Super Typhoon Yolanda (also known as Haiyan), which hit the Philippines in 2013.
8. A dramatic heat wave across the Middle East this summer caused temperatures in Iran to soar so high it felt like 160 degrees Fahrenheit. Even accounting for regional standards, temperatures spiked, from Egypt to Syria. Thousands took to the streets across Iraq protesting dangerous power cuts, clean water shortages, and poor living conditions that were worsening the effects.
9. Pakistan this summer suffered its deadliest heat wave ever recorded, with at least 2,000 lives lost. And in neighboring India, a heat wave this summer killed at least 2,500 people. “Let us not fool ourselves that there is no connection between the unusual number of deaths from the ongoing heat wave and the certainty of another failed monsoon,” India’s earth sciences minister Harsh Vardhan said in June. “It’s not just an unusually hot summer, it is climate change,” he said.
10. The National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration concluded earlier this month that climate change is already driving profound shifts in the Arctic ecosystem. For example, loss of sea ice, and climbing temperatures in the Barents Sea, off the coast of Norway and Russia, are causing “a poleward shift in fish communities,” according to the agency. These changes are impacting wildlife, as well as Indigenous communities that rely on them for their survival.

https://ecowatch.com/2016/01/02/extreme-weather-climate-chaos/

[1argoholic]

God will come back and heal the world just ask Harper. hahahaha.