Pfft - whatever - just laughable IMO - you're saying playing on a bad team is reason to discredit an outstanding player? Jim Corrigal was a real stiff of a DE then playing on some Argo teams that got whacked often. And the NFL scouts who invited Herdman to play in their premier scouting event (The Senior Bowl) should have laughed off his D play-making accomplishments at SFU? - WTF ? You want to ask questions but can't answer mine about the examples of Capicotti or Eiben? Maybe just admit you have little respect for top Canadian talent coming into the CFL unless an Argo team thinker expert drafts them and tells you they are good ?
Huge difference between having little respect and wondering if someone may have been overrated. Of course we can't all be as smart as you and chalk up every Canadian non success story as being GOB bias. There must be something to the mostly Canadian talent Clan going 0-10 in their all American div II schedule and not being close in any of their games, but I'm sure you can provide a good reason for it...at least one that justifies thing to you.
Thinking the same way OV, some players just know how to play the game.
And many players look great in college but can't translate that greatness into the pros. We will find out which category the Herdmans fit into soon enough.
Cameron Dukes + Dan Adeboboye + Kevin Mital + David Ungerer + Damonte Coxie + DaVaris Daniels + Dejon Brissett = Unstoppable Force
And many players look great in college but can't translate that greatness into the pros. We will find out which category the Herdmans fit into soon enough.
More like we might find out, IF he is drafted by a team in need at MLB and given a real shot to compete there in TC. He could also be viewed as a back-up linebacker who could play STs well, hopefully.
I'm sure Herdman will get a shot in the CFL, perhaps not as a immediate starter but someone will draft him. Don't think he'll fall down the draft board like that Manitoba LB (blanking on the name right now) last year.
More like we might find out, IF he is drafted by a team in need at MLB and given a real shot to compete there in TC. He could also be viewed as a back-up linebacker who could play STs well, hopefully.
We have to keep in mind though that if he doesn't make it as a starter, it won't necessarily be due to him not getting a "real shot" to compete there in training camp. It could simply be that he is not good enough. Again, time will tell, but there really isn't a motivation for a CFL team not to start him at MLB if he is good enough.
Cameron Dukes + Dan Adeboboye + Kevin Mital + David Ungerer + Damonte Coxie + DaVaris Daniels + Dejon Brissett = Unstoppable Force
And many players look great in college but can't translate that greatness into the pros. We will find out which category the Herdmans fit into soon enough.
And conversely some college players drafted in later rounds outperform players drafted ahead of them.
Happens in many professional sports, certainly not an exact science.
We have to keep in mind though that if he doesn't make it as a starter, it won't necessarily be due to him not getting a "real shot" to compete there in training camp. It could simply be that he is not good enough. Again, time will tell, but there really isn't a motivation for a CFL team not to start him at MLB if he is good enough.
Real shot would IMO be determined by team that drafts him and then TC and ex. season reports; if he goes to a team in need of a starter at MLB (Bombers, Argos, Ottawa would be current examples IMO), and then we hear he is getting lots of reps at MLB in TC, plus plays plenty in ex. games, then you have to think he is getting a good shot. Nobody is expecting him to go to BC and beat out Elimimian for the MLB job, but they could draft him and think of him as a very solid back-up, plus a guy who could contribute well on special teams right away. If he does end up on one of those teams in real need at MLB, and the TC reports are he struggled, plus did little in ex. game playing time, then sure, maybe he didn't cut it right away - he could even bomb and get cut. He could also displace a veteran starter, like the rookie draft pick did for the Stamps last season - not right away out of TC but once he got in (due to injury to starter), he was obviously very good and an upgrade. Same deal with Loffler with the Bombers last season; he was not the starter out of TC and the Bummers had Macho Harris (with zero Canadian ball safety experience) as their opening season starter - IMO because they had pencilled-in the position for an import; Loffler was 10x better - ooops, that O'Shea and Co. somehow could not see that in TC ?
Nobody appears to be disputing, that Herdman's excellent college career, indicated his potential as a pro. The question is, did his lack of athleticism at his pro day (slow 40/poor vertical/poor agility tests) cause him to slide out of the first round of the draft and if so how far could he drop?
He, on his agent's advice, had previously decided to skip the CFL combine but now as a result of his poor pro day performance, he will partake in the combine. This will allow him hopefully, to improve his testing but more importantly, unlike the NFL pro days, the CFL combine includes one on ones. Even if his results are still mediocre, it will provide him, the opportunity to demonstrate he can dominate in the one on ones, as did Loffler and Jones last year. The one on ones are more game related activities and this is where he should hope to excel.
Nobody appears to be disputing, that Herdman's excellent college career, indicated his potential as a pro. The question is, did his lack of athleticism at his pro day (slow 40/poor vertical/poor agility tests) cause him to slide out of the first round of the draft and if so how far could he drop?
He, on his agent's advice, had previously decided to skip the CFL combine but now as a result of his poor pro day performance, he will partake in the combine. This will allow him hopefully, to improve his testing but more importantly, unlike the NFL pro days, the CFL combine includes one on ones. Even if his results are still mediocre, it will provide him, the opportunity to demonstrate he can dominate in the one on ones, as did Loffler and Jones last year. The one on ones are more game related activities and this is where he should hope to excel.
Problem with that = the Combine on field football drills for linebackers are just - coverage, or, pass rushing against a blocking RB (as far as I know?); and these might not be able to show his natural MLB tackling skills and instincts. I think he should be going - should have shown commitment to the CFL Combine in the first place; he might improve some of his testing #s; he might do very well on the one on ones; plus, gets to meet and interview with CFL teams who might be interested - could make a good impression there too.
And nobody is saying either that this guy is a sure-fire CFL player who should be handed a starting job there. I just find the lack of respect by some for top notch, blue-chip type Canadian talent that comes around every CFL draft year, to be a bit puzzling or annoying or disappointing. The CFL has been doing a much better job giving their Combine and the draft in general more publicity and buzz over the past number of years. Not many CFL fans know that much about some of these top prospects coming in or else rate them low in terms of making a CFL impact, which is IMO maybe a symptom or another sign of the lack of respect for Canadian football in general in it's own country?
Herdman is one IMO of the best linebacker prospects to come up in the CFL draft in some time; seems to me, Henoc Muamba or Cory Greenwood, turned out pretty good CFL players.
Problem with that = the Combine on field football drills for linebackers are just - coverage, or, pass rushing against a blocking RB (as far as I know?); and these might not be able to show his natural MLB tackling skills and instincts. I think he should be going - should have shown commitment to the CFL Combine in the first place; he might improve some of his testing #s; he might do very well on the one on ones; plus, gets to meet and interview with CFL teams who might be interested - could make a good impression there too.
And nobody is saying either that this guy is a sure-fire CFL player who should be handed a starting job there. I just find the lack of respect by some for top notch, blue-chip type Canadian talent that comes around every CFL draft year, to be a bit puzzling or annoying or disappointing. The CFL has been doing a much better job giving their Combine and the draft in general more publicity and buzz over the past number of years. Not many CFL fans know that much about some of these top prospects coming in or else rate them low in terms of making a CFL impact, which is IMO maybe a symptom or another sign of the lack of respect for Canadian football in general in it's own country?
Herdman is one IMO of the best linebacker prospects to come up in the CFL draft in some time; seems to me, Henoc Muamba or Cory Greenwood, turned out pretty good CFL players.
Herdman is a good prospect, and good football people are saying so. I wouldn't get too worked up. Remember we WANT him to drop. Being called a 'baller' by another athlete is top respect. We all know drafting is an imperfect science. Just just need to get more right, than wrong. Especially at the top end. Look at the Hockey Draft, with guys who supposedly couldn't skate. They said that about Marchand and Bergeron. I'll take em anyday, and I am glad to have people with intuition around... always. Intangibles are huge. Don't think we'll get em, but I am sure they'd love to.
Dan Ralph discusses how the Herdman brothers compete against each other below. Jordan has said that he was suffering from a hip ailment at his Pro Day but has recovered now.
The combine is also important to the Herdman brothers. Jordan, who participated in the Senior Bowl and has garnered NFL interest, is looking to improve upon the test results he posted at Simon Fraser's pro day March 14. While the five-foot-11, 234-pound linebacker had solid efforts in the bench press (23 reps) and broad jump (nine feet four inches), he hopes to improve upon his 40-yard dash (4.97 seconds according to a scout there) and vertical jump (28 1/2 inches).
"Actually, I'm hoping to crush all the numbers I had previously at the pro day and show the scouts I can perform all the drills," he said. Following his pro day, Herdman revealed he was battling a hip ailment. But he's good to go for the CFL combine."I've had a week now to recover," he said. "The body is feeling really good right now."
We have to keep in mind though that if he doesn't make it as a starter, it won't necessarily be due to him not getting a "real shot" to compete there in training camp. It could simply be that he is not good enough. Again, time will tell, but there really isn't a motivation for a CFL team not to start him at MLB if he is good enough.
Simon Fraser University linebacker Jordan Herdman has accepted an invitation to attend rookie mini-camp with the NFL Kansas City Chiefs in order to showcase his skills in an effort to secure an NFL contract. Herdman went undrafted through seven rounds of the NFL Draft that concluded Saturday. The two-time Great Northwest Athletic Conference Defensive Player of the Year is one of the top players available for the CFL Draft which will take place on May 7, 2017.
He has a twin brother who is also a linebacker. He did participate in the Senior Bowl so the Chiefs should have some familiarity here. The Chiefs need enough tryout players to field an entire practice so that's part of the motivation here but obviously there's something about the player they like or are intrigued by. Several years ago the Chiefs had Cory Greenwood, who was a top five pick in the CFL. The Chiefs best known Canadian is Laurent Duvernay-Tardif, a sixth round pick a few years ago who played at McGill.
Well, who would have thought that Justin would be drafted (by the Argos) before Jordan (selected 60th overall by B.C.)? I am not sure I have seen a player fall further faster than Jordan Herdman did in this draft. And, yes, while Herdman has a minicamp invite to an NFL camp, chances of any player in that situation signing an NFL contract are quite small.
Cameron Dukes + Dan Adeboboye + Kevin Mital + David Ungerer + Damonte Coxie + DaVaris Daniels + Dejon Brissett = Unstoppable Force
Well, who would have thought that Justin would be drafted (by the Argos) before Jordan (selected 60th overall by B.C.)? I am not sure I have seen a player fall further faster than Jordan Herdman did in this draft. And, yes, while Herdman has a minicamp invite to an NFL camp, chances of any player in that situation signing an NFL contract are quite small.
Jordan Herdman also played in the US Senior Bowl - THE most prestigious NFL scouting event = a lot of NFL teams know about this guy = even if he fails to make the Chiefs, good chance he will get another NFL look; doubtful he shows up in the CFL this year, if ever.
he's just a minicamp invite ... 99% of these cdns get cut right away.
actually probability of 6th-8th rounder making a CFL team is usually quite low - maybe a PR spot for a year or so
He's too slow to play LB in the CFL. Hard to make it as a starting LB in a mostly passing game when O-lineman are putting up better times in the 40. Either he would have to beef up a bit and play rush end, or he will be strictly a special teamer.
Justin put up similar weak Combine testing #s to his higher rated brother Jordan; hopefully Justin can pan-out as a decent special teamer at least for the Argos even with his slow 40 time - why bother drafting such a turtle ?
The Chiefs' scouts must be totally out to lunch for inviting such a slow LB like Herdman to their mini-camp? - can't they see he is wayyyyy too slow to play LB in the pros and did they not bother consulting with all the CFL scouting experts ? ;o)
A lot less field to cover down there, and considerably less coverage responsibilities. I'm guessing Justin will battle for a job on special teams. But of course we all know if he doesn't make it, it'll be the he fault of the GOB "thinkers".
A lot less field to cover down there, and considerably less coverage responsibilities. I'm guessing Justin will battle for a job on special teams. But of course we all know if he doesn't make it, it'll be the he fault of the GOB "thinkers".
Didn't realize MLBs had so much coverage responsibility in today's CFL game. That must be why Taylor Reed has been handed starting gigs with 3 different CFL teams now - an awesome cover guy.
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