Tim Burke resigns; Creehan now DC

[AngeloV]

I'm not overly concerned. The Bombers and Ti-Cats that Creehan coached on were very bad teams. If you don't feel you have the personnel to play man coverage, you can't. Time will tell, but I'm not going to complain about him without seeing what happens.

[jerrym]

On TV, I found Burke's body language was self- and team-defeating in communicating to the players in Winnipeg that they were on the road to defeat again and never saw a sense of confidence relayed to the Argo players under his charge. Given that Creehan's Hamilton defence concerns me even more.

[Argo57]

Hopefully Creehan has learned from past experiences, remember Cortez constantly ripping into Creehan on the sidelines in 2012 while with the Ticats, although much of that could be the fact that Cortez looks like a miserable asshole at the best of times.
Hopefully this all works out but my gut tells me this could be another frustrating season in Argoland.

[OV Argo]

I'm not overly concerned. The Bombers and Ti-Cats that Creehan coached on were very bad teams. If you don't feel you have the personnel to play man coverage, you can't. Time will tell, but I'm not going to complain about him without seeing what happens.

I might not be that concerned IF Creehan had tons of vet, proven talent to work with on D - but - outside of Foley & Okpo at DE, maybe Gabriel at S = lots of question marks ... to be molded by a guy who seems like an @$$-hat and who has little to no proven D coaching ability.

Too late to start over and hire a good DC i guess (not really IMO - but that's debatable) = we shall see allright AV.

[paulwoods13]

This does not bode well for the season.
Usually when something like this happens so close to training camp or the beginning of the season it is either argument with other staff or HC or the usual philosophical differences.
Like others have mentioned Creehan is not well regarded as a DC and has had a number of failures in similar posts.

Or the coordinator wants out for personal reasons and the team survives just fine. See 1983 Toronto Argonauts.

[Fumblitis]

On TV, I found Burke's body language was self- and team-defeating in communicating to the players in Winnipeg that they were on the road to defeat again and never saw a sense of confidence relayed to the Argo players under his charge. Given that Creehan's Hamilton defence concerns me even more.

Yeah you just got the sense that the team never bought in to what he was trying to do in Winnipeg. Publicly berating his players didn't help either.

[Argocister]

There was an article where Milanovich said Burkes resignation was a possible scenario, so they have had a succession plan in place for awhile. In fact Creehan went to some set of meetings instead of Burke during the off season ..... In case.
Creehan has had a year or two under Burke so probably has learned some.
This may be a better scenario than hiring a new DC altogether. At least the systems will be the same if not similar, and the players have had a year under their belt already. It won't be as disjointed as the move from
Jones to Burke .... And hopefully will be an improvement for the team, the fans and for
Creehan ... who could use a plus year for his resume. The Defense will just have to work hard!

[ArgoRavi]

There was an article where Milanovich said Burkes resignation was a possible scenario, so they have had a succession plan in place for awhile. In fact Creehan went to some set of meetings instead of Burke during the off season ..... In case.
Creehan has had a year or two under Burke so probably has learned some.
This may be a better scenario than hiring a new DC altogether. At least the systems will be the same if not similar, and the players have had a year under their belt already. It won't be as disjointed as the move from
Jones to Burke .... And hopefully will be an improvement for the team, the fans and for
Creehan ... who could use a plus year for his resume. The Defense will just have to work hard!

It is too late to hire a new defensive coordinator and try to install a new system. The advantage with Creehan is that he knows Burke's system and presumably believes in it so it won't be much of an adjustment for any defensive players who remain from last year.

[Argo57]

It is too late to hire a new defensive coordinator and try to install a new system. The advantage with Creehan is that he knows Burke's system and presumably believes in it so it won't be much of an adjustment for any defensive players who remain from last year.

Probably half of this defence will be new (thus learning a new system anyway), just can't get the 2012 Hamilton D fiasco (led by Creehan) out of my head and as OV correctly mentioned much of our D personnel will once again be new.
BTW not buying into the notion that it is too late to hire a new DC but the Argos seem to pay their assistants SFA so the cheap and easy fix is to "promote" Creehan.
My 11 year old son who love his Ticats just about split a gut laughing when he heard Creehan would be running our D as he remembers his frustration watching his teams pitiful D in 2012.

[gilthethrill]

Frank Z mentioned in his article today that the Argos are in need of a DB coach and that Jordan Younger, who I think is a AC at U of T would be a great hire. I agree. However, why is the team in need of a DB coach this late in the offseason??????

[ArgoZ]

Probably half of this defence will be new (thus learning a new system anyway), just can't get the 2012 Hamilton D fiasco (led by Creehan) out of my head and as OV correctly mentioned much of our D personnel will once again be new.
BTW not buying into the notion that it is too late to hire a new DC but the Argos seem to pay their assistants SFA so the cheap and easy fix is to "promote" Creehan.
My 11 year old son who love his Ticats just about split a gut laughing when he heard Creehan would be running our D as he remembers his frustration watching his teams pitiful D in 2012.

Wow, that's some fan. Most 8 year olds would struggle to name a single player, nevermind defensive coaches.

[Argo57]

Wow, that's some fan. Most 8 year olds would struggle to name a single player, nevermind defensive coaches.

I remember going to the Ex with my dad at that age not having a clue what was going on, I'm proud to pass my love of our game on to my son who cant get enough of the CFL and his Ticats.
On a side note the 2012 season actually ended on a high note for him as he was chosen to accompany Grover Covington onto the field when he was named to the All-Time Hamilton Tiger Cats team before the last game at Ivor Wynne.

[Argo57]

Or the coordinator wants out for personal reasons and the team survives just fine. See 1983 Toronto Argonauts.

Anything is possible Paul, except that when Darrel Davis left after 1982 most (if not all) of the players that executed his "Run and Shoot" offence returned in 1983, same can't be said regarding our defence.
Who knows how Creehan can and will be able to mold this D together with a substantial number of new players.

[Wobbler]

Frank Z mentioned in his article today that the Argos are in need of a DB coach and that Jordan Younger, who I think is a AC at U of T would be a great hire. I agree. However, why is the team in need of a DB coach this late in the offseason??????

In the article, Zicarelli claims that Younger "is the kind of individual the Argos require" and that "a guy of his magnitude should be pursued". It's all pretty vague and unconvincing. We haven't had a DB coach since Eddie Brown left in 2013.

[Argo57]

If you read the article, Zicarelli claims that Younger "is the kind of individual the Argos require" and that "a guy of his magnitude should be pursued". It's all pretty vague and unconvincing. We haven't had a DB coach since Eddie Brown left in 2013.

It also touched on the fact the organization may be harbouring some resentment regarding the timing of Youngers retirement which may be closer to the truth.

[paulwoods13]

Anything is possible Paul, except that when Darrel Davis left after 1982 most (if not all) of the players that executed his "Run and Shoot" offence returned in 1983, same can't be said regarding our defence.
Who knows how Creehan can and will be able to mold this D together with a substantial number of new players.

Yes. But Mouse ran an effective offence in 1982. With all the crying about Creehan, you'd think the 2014 Argo defence was lights out. Guess what -- it wasn't.

[Argo57]

That's true Paul (and my point as well) the Argonaut D has been sub-par since the 2012 World Championship revolving door with both players and coaches, although I loved the Foley trade and look forward to seeing Greenwood, our secondary in particular should be of great concern.

[AngeloV]

That's true Paul (and my point as well) the Argonaut D has been sub-par since the 2012 World Championship revolving door with both players and coaches, although I loved the Foley trade and look forward to seeing Greenwood, our secondary in particular should be of great concern.

Secondary is definitely a concern, but if the new rules are implemented as the league says they will, I think every secondary in the league may have big concerns.

[doubleblue]

Secondary is definitely a concern, but if the new rules are implemented as the league says they will, I think every secondary in the league may have big concerns.

The new rules that don't allow contact after 5 yards might have something to do with nine of the twelve listed DB's being 5'11 and under. Smaller quicker guys who can cover better. The problem is there quite a few tall receivers in the League now.

[Stevoman]

Lots of factors that will determine how the Argos do. Adjustment to new rules, Creehan with a whole new secondary, the health of Ray (#1 thing that determine's this season's success), Durie's health, emergence of new reliable receivers, Oline and LT help...never mind the ownership distractions.