Harris vs. Collaros

[Rich]

Adrian McPherson was okay backing up Calvillo for five years (age 25-29) with little if any chance of starting.

And it pretty much ruined his career.

[argolio]

Sure, the jury's still out on Harris. He may still lay an egg or two in the next few games. BUT, if he maintains a level of play anywhere near his first game, then surely it's an open and shut case.

Yeah, open-and-shut they'll put Ray back in when he's healthy.

[Rich]

Yeah, open-and-shut they'll put Ray back in when he's healthy.

So you would sign Ricky next year if he's 100% healthy and let Harris walk?

[argolio]

And it pretty much ruined his career.

I still see him making teams and getting paid.

So you would sign Ricky next year if he's 100% healthy and let Harris walk?

Who says Harris is walking?

[Rich]

I still see him making teams and getting paid.

Yes, he established himself as career backup, but things might have been a lot different for him if he left Montreal earlier. You gotta believe his experience is in the back of Trevor Harris' mind.

[argolio]

Yes, he established himself as career backup, but things might have been a lot different for him if he left Montreal earlier. You gotta believe his experience is in the back of Trevor Harris' mind.

More likely that no one had any interest in McPherson as a potential starter. He didn't exactly impress much during the few games he started.

I bet Harris has devoted exactly zero seconds of thought to McPherson's experience.

[Rich]

I bet Harris has devoted exactly zero seconds of thought to McPherson's experience.

You're on. What's the bet?

[paulwoods13]

Sure, the jury's still out on Harris. He may still lay an egg or two in the next few games. BUT, if he maintains a level of play anywhere near his first game, then surely it's an open and shut case.

Ok. If he completes 90% of his passes week after week, with two or three TDs and no INTs, I guess it will be open and shut. But he won't do that, unfortunately. I believe he is capable of playing like an all-star and will show it in the wks to come, but that belief is based on a small bit of evidence as well as intuition. I also believe RR is more than capable of playing like an all-star, and that's based on years of evidence. Regardless it's nice to have such a problem, especially in a league where half the teams are missing their starting QB.

[Argo57]

Ok. If he completes 90% of his passes week after week, with two or three TDs and no INTs, I guess it will be open and shut. But he won't do that, unfortunately. I believe he is capable of playing like an all-star and will show it in the wks to come, but that belief is based on a small bit of evidence as well as intuition. I also believe RR is more than capable of playing like an all-star, and that's based on years of evidence. Regardless it's nice to have such a problem, especially in a league where half the teams are missing their starting QB.

This is a great opportunity for Harris to gain some much needed playing time and for the Argonauts to finally see what they have with this guy.
Watch the posted game ball clip, Harris takes the ball and immediately want to give it to the O-Line, seems like a humble team first guy....love that!!
When Ray returns he will play but if Harris continues to play consistently well it bodes well for the Argonauts future.

[AngeloV]

He may be a team first player, but he's not a fool. At 29 you don't turn down an opportunity for starters money in professional football.

If he proves to be valuable, he can get 200k to be a premier back-up. If he were to leave, I couldn't see him getting ore than 250k, until he proves he can be an 18 game starter. I think he'd stay in Toronto, even as Ray's back up.

[Argo57]

If he proves to be valuable, he can get 200k to be a premier back-up. If he were to leave, I couldn't see him getting ore than 250k, until he proves he can be an 18 game starter. I think he'd stay in Toronto, even as Ray's back up.

I also can't see the Argonauts letting another blue chip QB prospect get away.

[AngeloV]

I also can't see the Argonauts letting another blue chip QB prospect get away.

They won't. They'll give comparable starter's money to be the 2nd string. If Ray comes back healthy and is lights out, there is no way they dump him...no matter how good Harris is.

[Rich]

If he proves to be valuable, he can get 200k to be a premier back-up. If he were to leave, I couldn't see him getting ore than 250k, until he proves he can be an 18 game starter. I think he'd stay in Toronto, even as Ray's back up.

You're living in a dreamland. Every QB on the planet wants to be a starter somewhere. If he continues to play well while Ricky is hurt, there will be another team that will offer him a significant raise to be a starter next year. And he'd be a fool not to take it.

[Fumblitis]

If he proves to be valuable, he can get 200k to be a premier back-up. If he were to leave, I couldn't see him getting ore than 250k, until he proves he can be an 18 game starter. I think he'd stay in Toronto, even as Ray's back up.

I doubt it. Drew Tate as an example of wanting to be a backup for decent money is rare. At 29, Harris isn't getting younger. He proves himself between now and contract time and I bet he's on his way out.

Fans have stated here that examples of McPherson and Tate. What about Reilly (BC to Edmonton), Willy (Riders to Winnipeg), and last but not least: Collaros (Toronto to the Hammer)?

[Argocister]

Fans have stated here that examples of McPherson and Tate. What about Reilly (BC to Edmonton), Willy (Riders to Winnipeg), and last but not least: Collaros (Toronto to the Hammer)?

.......leave your hands off Harris Fumbilitis!

[Fumblitis]

.......leave your hands off Harris Fumbilitis!

Hey you're telling the wrong guy! Tell your friendly neighbourhood REDBLACK fan that. . Besides I'm happy with Brett Smith thanks to Argo nation.

[argolio]

You're living in a dreamland. Every QB on the planet wants to be a starter somewhere. If he continues to play well while Ricky is hurt, there will be another team that will offer him a significant raise to be a starter next year. And he'd be a fool not to take it.

If after taking everything into consideration management decides to let him go, then he'll leave and life will go on.

[Argo57]

If after taking everything into consideration management decides to let him go, then he'll leave and life will go on.

Don't see it happening this time, if Harris consistently plays at a high level the Argonauts will sign him.
Ray isn't getting any younger and coming off major surgery who knows how much he has left, can't see Ray getting anywhere close to the same contract he currently enjoys.
What I can see happening moving forward is Toronto using a 2 quarterback system to try and extend Ray's career.

[Argo]

Don't see it happening this time, if Harris consistently plays at a high level the Argonauts will sign him.
Ray isn't getting any younger and coming off major surgery who knows how much he has left, can't see Ray getting anywhere close to the same contract he currently enjoys.
What I can see happening moving forward is Toronto using a 2 quarterback system to try and extend Ray's career.

I suspect that the fact that Collaros recently moved on is significant to JB and SM: conspiring to lose in succession two curated-here, high-quality, relatively young QBs, is likely intolerable.

Assuming Harris continues to play superbly and Ray doesn't return for at least 3 more games:
1. JB and SM cross the tipping point and either the QBs effectively trade places on the depth chart or Ray is traded at a terrific premium (conditions in the league would seem to be optimum).
2. Or, Ray starts again, Harris sits, with the understanding there shall be open competition for the starting job in training camp.
3. Or, Argo57 is correct, and a genuine two-quarterback system is in play.

For various reasons, I think (1) would be more likely than the alternatives.

If you take another look at Barker's interviews this season, you may notice a (rather telling?) remark on the subject made by Barker.

In any case, development of this intriguing plot is just one more reason to cheer for Harris to continue his lights-out play.

[Rich]

Ok. If he completes 90% of his passes week after week, with two or three TDs and no INTs, I guess it will be open and shut. But he won't do that, unfortunately. I believe he is capable of playing like an all-star and will show it in the wks to come, but that belief is based on a small bit of evidence as well as intuition. I also believe RR is more than capable of playing like an all-star, and that's based on years of evidence. Regardless it's nice to have such a problem, especially in a league where half the teams are missing their starting QB.

I wouldn't set the bar so high for Harris. If he protects the ball well and delivers a majority of wins, that would be good enough for me.

Fans have stated here that examples of McPherson and Tate. What about Reilly (BC to Edmonton), Willy (Riders to Winnipeg), and last but not least: Collaros (Toronto to the Hammer)?

You have to remember Angelo's judgement is clouded by his raging Ricky Ray man-crush.

I suspect that the fact that Collaros recently moved on is significant to JB and SM: conspiring to lose in succession two curated-here, high-quality, relatively young QBs, is likely intolerable.

Assuming Harris continues to play superbly and Ray doesn't return for at least 3 more games:
1. JB and SM cross the tipping point and either the QBs effectively trade places on the depth chart or Ray is traded at a terrific premium (conditions in the league would seem to be optimum).

I can't imagine Harris starting ahead of a healthy Ricky. Not this season anyway. And if they're going trade Ricky to Edmonton or Saskatchewan for a huge premium later this year, they need to showcase him healthy and playing well.