July 5, 2015: Toronto Argonauts vs. Saskatchewan Roughriders

**paulwoods13** · 07-06-2015, 12:37 PM

Originally Posted by gilthethrill

One player I have yet to notice is Jeff Keeping's replacement, newcomer Greg Van Roten. Has he had a bad shotgun snap?

He has looked very good to me. When they get Keeping back and move VR to guard the line should be that much stronger.

**paulwoods13** · 07-06-2015, 12:38 PM

Originally Posted by ArgoRavi

It is funny how the "sacks against" stat is really not doing the Argos' offensive line any justice so far this season. I believe that they have given up four sacks in each of the first two games and yet their o-line has been superb.

Excellent observation.

**gilthethrill** · 07-06-2015, 12:46 PM

Originally Posted by paulwoods13

He has looked very good to me. When they get Keeping back and move VR to guard the line should be that much stronger.

VR lined up beside VZ?

**ArgoGabe22** · 07-06-2015, 12:56 PM

Originally Posted by gilthethrill

VR lined up beside VZ?

Not yet. The original plan was to have them there but when Keeping went down VR moved to centre, opening up a spot for Wayne Smith.

**ArgoRavi** · 07-06-2015, 12:57 PM

Originally Posted by gilthethrill

VR lined up beside VZ?

That would be the likely place.

**Fumblitis** · 07-06-2015, 01:26 PM

Originally Posted by ArgoRavi

It is funny how the "sacks against" stat is really not doing the Argos' offensive line any justice so far this season. I believe that they have given up four sacks in each of the first two games and yet their o-line has been superb.

Most of those sacks were coverage sacks so I wouldn't fault the oline for it.

**Will** · 07-06-2015, 01:32 PM

Originally Posted by Fumblitis

Most of those sacks were coverage sacks so I wouldn't fault the oline for it.

That was the point Ravi was trying to make.

**argonaut11xx** · 07-06-2015, 02:52 PM

In terms of "Pure Entertainment", this game is going to be tough to beat.

I watched it again this morning on PVR, it was that good

**jerrym** · 07-06-2015, 02:58 PM

Originally Posted by Fumblitis

Most of those sacks were coverage sacks so I wouldn't fault the oline for it.

Furthermore, those coverage sacks are also reflected in another important stat: Harris has only a 1.5% interception rate, indicating he isn't throwing the ball into danger to avoid a sack.

**AngeloV** · 07-06-2015, 03:58 PM

Originally Posted by jerrym

Furthermore, those coverage sacks are also reflected in another important stat: Harris has only a 1.5% interception rate, indicating he isn't throwing the ball into danger to avoid a sack.

Now you've done. Don't you know that some people are against the QB check down?

**jerrym** · 07-06-2015, 03:58 PM

Here are the video highlights of the game in case any one missed the classic ending, as I did because of a crazy incident described in post #149:

http://www.tsn.ca/video/cfl-must-see...inish-1.326116

http://www.tsn.ca/argos-outlast-roug...iller-1.326127

**argotom** · 07-06-2015, 05:40 PM

Originally Posted by argonaut11xx

In terms of "Pure Entertainment", this game is going to be tough to beat.

I watched it again this morning on PVR, it was that good

Isn't that what it is all about?

**Argo57** · 07-06-2015, 06:06 PM

Originally Posted by AngeloV

What was wrong with the run defence yesterday? They held Messam to 4.4 yards per carry, which by today's standards is outstanding.

More in reference to stopping Messam, the guy is a tank.

**LLB997** · 07-07-2015, 06:22 AM

Finally saw the game. Owens had an killer 2nd half. Great effort, Harris
looked like a vet. Bring on week3

**Will** · 07-07-2015, 02:36 PM

Originally Posted by Mookie Fan

What an amazing game! Our new kicker was great. It was also nice to see Trevor Harris throw the ball down the field at times, and I hope we see more of that when the team is in less urgent situations. I don't think it is a coincidence that our running game has been better and used more over the first two games of this season and the Argos won both games. There were fewer carries in this game for Whitaker than in the first game, but we mixed it up a bit with a few carries for other players. Josey only had one carry. I'm not sure why...?

Andre Durie left the game with an injury, hopefully there is no structural damage to his knee and he'll be back at some point. That being said, I wish we still had Anthony Woodson, as that would be two national players along with Anthony Coombs who can play Durie's position. With Durie injured, we are only one injury away from having to change our offensive scheme somewhat at that position.

I like that Chad Owens did not return kicks this game (I believe?) as I think we can find someone younger who does that job better and allows us to lessen the risk of injury for Owens, who is too valuable as a slotback. That said, although you don't see constant injuries to kick returners, I feel Anthony Coombs may be too valuable in other areas to use in that role long-term, even more so with Durie's injury. Surely with all the players in the U.S.A. and Canada we can find one or two kick returners who can play--other teams seem to. Maybe we can bring Kevin Bradfield back?

I also feel the Argos could use a bigger RB to complement Whitaker. Jerome Messam would look really good in an Argonaut uniform right now. Someone who can complement a smaller RB, get tough yards when needed and make bigger plays as well, as Messam can. Anthony Woodson maybe could have done that, and I think Jerome Messam definitely could have done that for Toronto and is quite a dynamic player.

What was that duo in Winnipeg called? Wasn't it "Thunder and Lightning?" The one of the amazing Charles "Blink" Roberts and the awesome Mike Sellers who played so well in Winnipeg back in the early 2000s. Something like that could really diversify our offensive attack. Maybe an undrafted CIS player could help provide the large RB or a more dynamic FB role. I realize Mike Sellers was I believe listed as a FB, but most fullbacks aren't as dynamic as he was, that's for sure.

It was mentioned on the radio on TSN 1050 that Matt Black had a great game. Was he at corner back in this game at all, or did he replace Gabriel at safety? I'm not sure how much of the game he played on defence. It's great to hear that he played really well and that he got a chance to show what he can do. He's a good player. I hope our injured players will be fine.

http://argonauts.ca/article/argos-si...evin-bradfield

Ask and ye shall receive!

**argolio** · 07-07-2015, 09:53 PM

Who thinks we should have gone for two at the end of regulation? Because I did.

**Argo57** · 07-07-2015, 10:12 PM

Originally Posted by argolio

Who thinks we should have gone for two at the end of regulation? Because I did.

The thought crossed my mind as well, especially with the rookie kicker.
The new rules will make these decisions tougher to make and keep things much more interesting!

**PullTogether73** · 07-07-2015, 10:25 PM

Originally Posted by argolio

Who thinks we should have gone for two at the end of regulation? Because I did.

No. Just no.

**D-Gap-Willie** · 07-07-2015, 11:21 PM

Originally Posted by argolio

Who thinks we should have gone for two at the end of regulation? Because I did.

Personally, I would have gone for the '2' on the previous touchdown. but then that's why they call us fans, not coaches.

On a side note, I am very pleased to see that the Depth Chart for the Saskatchewan game has now been posted on argonauts.ca