July 13, 2015: Toronto Argonauts vs. Calgary Stampeders

[gilthethrill]

Agree with you.
I am very worried about our defense as it looked porous against the Riders.
Did anyone notice how Foley appears a non factor so far at rush end?
With Gabriel out it may get worse.

I have noticed Foley making a lot of tackles from behind, but the D has yet to register a sack from the DE position.

[paulwoods13]

Agree with you.
I am very worried about our defense as it looked porous against the Riders.
Did anyone notice how Foley appears a non factor so far at rush end?
With Gabriel out it may get worse.

We are 2-0. Our defence made stops when it had to last week, several times. Let's not get carried away with the glass half empty.

[D-Gap-Willie]

Agree with you.
I am very worried about our defense as it looked porous against the Riders.
Did anyone notice how Foley appears a non factor so far at rush end?
With Gabriel out it may get worse.

I agree that our defense in general did not play well against the Riders - I think they are capable of more, and hope that they deliver in Calgreeeeeeeeee ! They are still getting to know each other.

On Foley's play getting worse because Gabriel is out. I really don't understand the thinking behind this.

[AngeloV]

I agree that our defense in general did not play well against the Riders - I think they are capable of more, and hope that they deliver in Calgreeeeeeeeee ! They are still getting to know each other.

On Foley's play getting worse because Gabriel is out. I really don't understand the thinking behind this.

At the risk of spoiling my image and actually defending argotom, I think he meant the Argos d in general could get worse, and not Foley in particular.

That didn't feel right.....So...
The post in general is his typical over-reaction, the sky is falling, I will change my mind next week style.

[Argo57]

At the risk of spoiling my image and actually defending argotom, I think he meant the Argos d in general could get worse, and not Foley in particular.

That didn't feel right.....So...
The post in general is his typical over-reaction, the sky is falling, I will change my mind next week style.

The good part is we are banking wins as our D works out the kinks and becomes a cohesive unit, the same can be said for our O.
Much higher talent level this year compared to 2013 and 14 IMO, credit to the football ops.

[ArgoRavi]

The good part is we are banking wins as our D works out the kinks and becomes a cohesive unit, the same can be said for our O.
Much higher talent level this year compared to 2013 and 14 IMO, credit to the football ops.

And with a team with so much inexperience there are going to be kinks as we saw last week. Perhaps the win over Edmonton set up some unrealistic expectations for some fans. This is a team with a lot of talent but it is going to take time for this team to reach its potential and there will be rough patches in which fans will have to be patient.

[D-Gap-Willie]

Has anyone seen an Argo depth chart yet for this game ? Probably jumping the gun - my brain says Monday game but it's hard to wait .

[Wobbler]

No chart yet, but it is still early. Often the web site is the last to have it; if you're eager (like me), it's best to check the team FB feed (https://www.facebook.com/ArgosFootball) and Twitter when it is <24h before the game.

[Wobbler]

Speaking of charts, Calgary's is up. I find it surprising that a team considered to have excellent Canadian content is only starting 7 NATs this year.

[AngeloV]

From my observations at practice yesterday:
Starters On Offence:
O-line: Campbell, Holmes, Keeping, Van Roten, Van Zeyl
receivers: Hazelton, Owens, Coombs, Elliott, Gurley (although Elliott had a collision Travis Hawkins late in practice and had a slight limp, I don't think anything to keep him out)
RB:Whitaker
QB: Harris

On Defence:
D-Line: Okpalaugo, Laing, Cummings and Foley and Vega rotating in at end (guessing Waud checks in for Delano Johnson, but maybe both will dress)
LB: no changes Issaac, Jones and Greenwood
Secondary: Owusu-Ansah, Devin Smith, Mat Black, Hawkins and Jefferson

KO returns had Josey and Bradfield deep
Punt return had Owens

[AngeloV]

Speaking of charts, Calgary's is up. I find it surprising that a team considered to have excellent Canadian content is only starting 7 NATs this year.

I count 8 starting Nationals. 6 on O and 2 on D.

4 o-lineman
2 RB's (or 1 RB and 1 replaced by a receiver)
2 DT's.

Cote is listed as a starter, but when he isn't on the field, either Parker or Charbonneau are.

[Wobbler]

I count 8 starting Nationals. 6 on O and 2 on D.

Whoops. I'm so used to our charts that I forgot to consider the FB as a starter. Eight it is.

[Wobbler]

Did you see King at practice, Angelo? I'm curious about whether he's still hurt or whether we genuinely prefer van Roten at this point.

[AngeloV]

Did you see King at practice, Angelo? I'm curious about whether he's still hurt or whether we genuinely prefer van Roten at this point.

King was there and participating. I think until they are 100% sure on Keeping, you'll see Van Roten dress over King.

[Will]

From my observations at practice yesterday:
Starters On Offence:
O-line: Campbell, Holmes, Keeping, Van Roten, Van Zeyl
receivers: Hazelton, Owens, Coombs, Elliott, Gurley (although Elliott had a collision Travis Hawkins late in practice and had a slight limp, I don't think anything to keep him out)
RB:Whitaker
QB: Harris

On Defence:
D-Line: Okpalaugo, Laing, Cummings and Foley and Vega rotating in at end (guessing Waud checks in for Delano Johnson, but maybe both will dress)
LB: no changes Issaac, Jones and Greenwood
Secondary: Owusu-Ansah, Devin Smith, Mat Black, Hawkins and Jefferson

KO returns had Josey and Bradfield deep
Punt return had Owens

Depth chart (with standard disclaimer of at times inaccurate) still lists Van Roten starting over Keeping at C. Smith remains at RG beside Van Zeyl.
Correct on the receivers.
Hawkins replaces Underwood at HB and Matt Black replaces Gabriel at safety.

[Wobbler]

...but King comes off the IR. They may not make the final decision on the OL until tomorrow.

[paulwoods13]

King was there and participating. I think until they are 100% sure on Keeping, you'll see Van Roten dress over King.

King was not nearly as good last year as he was in 2013, and IMO Van Roten has been excellent. I think he is ahead of King on the depth chart even after Keeping is healthy.

[AngeloV]

King was not nearly as good last year as he was in 2013, and IMO Van Roten has been excellent. I think he is ahead of King on the depth chart even after Keeping is healthy.

You may be right, Paul. But I'd like to see how a healthy King performs under Himebauch as the O-Line coach. They had a very inexperienced coach there last year in Brian Chiu. It's quite possible they had bad schemes last year.

[D-Gap-Willie]

It'll be very interesting to see how Hawkins performs - I've been looking forward to that. Will his performance keep Underwood on the sidelines ? But then, I am not sure of the extent of Underwood's injury - he like everyone else is on the 6 game IR

[jerrym]

The title says it all about the team with the most depth coming of a thumping: "Argos wary of sleeping giant in Stamps" and playing at home.

http://www.torontosun.com/2015/07/12...iant-in-stamps