Fire Creehan immediately.

[AngeloV]

Do you mean Sam ?
Greenwood has looked really good at WILL IMO.

Yes, definitely meant SAM, but if the concussion rumours are true, then likely both.

[ArgoRavi]

Leave Younger where he is, great player but as a coach hasn't proven anything as of yet.
Sad part for Younger is he is the DB coach under a lousy DC.

I thought that this was an interesting quote from one of the CFL insiders that Kirk Penton of the Winnipeg Sun spoke to this week:

"(Argos defensive co-ordinator) Casey Creehan is a front-seven guy, and they hired a rookie type of coach (Jordan Younger) to coach their secondary. That combination is why you see teams like Hamilton with receivers wide open all day. We play them in October, so I hope they stay the same."

http://www.torontosun.com/2015/09/08...to-get-serious

[Argo57]

I thought that this was an interesting quote from one of the CFL insiders that Kirk Penton of the Winnipeg Sun spoke to this week:

"(Argos defensive co-ordinator) Casey Creehan is a front-seven guy, and they hired a rookie type of coach (Jordan Younger) to coach their secondary. That combination is why you see teams like Hamilton with receivers wide open all day. We play them in October, so I hope they stay the same."

http://www.torontosun.com/2015/09/08...to-get-serious

Pretty much says it all Ravi.
Most of these predicaments can be traced back to the Mickey Mouse penny pinching ways of the current owner, these are the types of guys you are left with (Creehan).
I think Creehan will be gone after Friday's game if the Argos get slaughtered again (which is very possible)!!

[Argo]

Pretty much says it all Ravi.
Most of these predicaments can be traced back to the Mickey Mouse penny pinching ways of the current owner, these are the types of guys you are left with (Creehan).
I think Creehan will be gone after Friday's game if the Argos get slaughtered again (which is very possible)!!

That the Argos typically do not play well at "home" won't help. I'm expecting a generally similar result as the recent shellacking.

[Will]

I thought that this was an interesting quote from one of the CFL insiders that Kirk Penton of the Winnipeg Sun spoke to this week:

"(Argos defensive co-ordinator) Casey Creehan is a front-seven guy, and they hired a rookie type of coach (Jordan Younger) to coach their secondary. That combination is why you see teams like Hamilton with receivers wide open all day. We play them in October, so I hope they stay the same."

http://www.torontosun.com/2015/09/08...to-get-serious

For a guy who is allegedly a "front-seven guy" I certainly don't see anything special from the front-seven. But, then again...Creehan!

[R.J]

Is Younger giver a free pass around here because he was a former player ?

[Will]

Is Younger giver a free pass around here because he was a former player ?

A bit maybe, but maybe he's also given a free pass because he's a rookie DB coach saddled with the worst DC in recent CFL history?

[paulwoods13]

Who's giving him a free pass? He's not coming under heavy criticism from me because I hold the co-ordinator and/or bad personnel responsible for a unit's failings. I also wouldn't blame the running backs coach (if we had one -- do we have one?) for our failure to run the ball effectively. It's on the co-ordinator. The one exception would be offensive line play -- I think that falls primarily on the shoulders of the position coach because of the nature of o-line play.

[johnnyice]

Definitely not Burke ! is game has left him ( after he left the ALS....)

[R.J]

Definitely not Burke ! is game has left him ( after he left the ALS....)

Burke's defence looked pretty good in Winnipeg, IIRC Burke's defence (Als and Bombers) made it to the Grey Cup three years in a row.
Burke is probably one of the top 3 DCs in the CFL, Thorpe and Stubler being the others IMO. Not saying I want Burke here (I would much rather see Benevides), but Burke's defence speaks for itself.

[R.J]

Who's giving him a free pass? He's not coming under heavy criticism from me because I hold the co-ordinator and/or bad personnel responsible for a unit's failings. I also wouldn't blame the running backs coach (if we had one -- do we have one?) for our failure to run the ball effectively. It's on the co-ordinator. The one exception would be offensive line play -- I think that falls primarily on the shoulders of the position coach because of the nature of o-line play.

I'd put 80% on Creehan and 20% on Younger, the Lbs have looked good for the most part and IMO the issue there is the lack of talent at SAM. The dline gets very little push which I put on young talent within the interior and Creehan as he's the dline coach as well. There's no question that Creehan should take a lot of the blame even in the backfield, but a lot those holes we're seeing is not necessarily due to lack of talent in the backfield or even schemes 100% but also the players not being properly coached up on where they're supposed to be and that's on Younger just as much as Creehan IMO.

[Argo]

I'd put 80% on Creehan and 20% on Younger, the Lbs have looked good for the most part and IMO the issue there is the lack of talent at SAM. The dline gets very little push which I put on young talent within the interior and Creehan as he's the dline coach as well. There's no question that Creehan should take a lot of the blame even in the backfield, but a lot those holes we're seeing is not necessarily due to lack of talent in the backfield or even schemes 100% but also the players not being properly coached up on where they're supposed to be and that's on Younger just as much as Creehan IMO.

Good points.

Now, I've only seen a couple of games straight through, but I have the impression that the DEs have not got the job done. If there weren't a ratio, well...
Is this others' impression as well?

Younger should be doing a good job - if he can teach - given his extensive experience means that he's pretty much seen it all.

[argonaut11xx]

The defense cant TACKLE....

The secondary was the worst i have EVER seen in the labour day game, (never have i seen so many EASY 2nd down conversions)

The Argo defense SUCKS...more holes than swiss cheese in a pen full of hungry mice.

As a fan i was embarrassed to watch the labour day game with a group of friends.

The Argo's defense was NOT a PRO calibre defense

[jerrym]

Fire Creehan yesterday.

[AngeloV]

Fire Creehan yesterday.

^This.

The secondary was the worst i have EVER seen in the labour day game, (never have i seen so many EASY 2nd down conversions)

Pretty sure they don't line up scared to death of getting beat deep and purposely give that space. That has to be scheme or defensive calls that the other team is picking up prior to the snap. You can talk about keeping the QB in the pocket all you want, but when the QB knows what he's doing pre snap, it never even becomes an issue. We do have good D-lineman, but you can't get to the QB when the ball is out that quickly.

[R.J]

Fire Creehan yesterday.

Shouldn't have been hired in the first place.

[argotom]

We know how the entire game was horrid for this Defence, but there was one play that stands out with the Cats down on our about 7 or 8 yard line.
Obvious passing down for Zach, meanwhile the DB's are playing their usual non aggressive drop back zone cover and sure enough the pass is to the goal line with an easy TD.
Heck I played flag football more aggressive.

[Will]

I don't think the tackling was an issue in the game on Monday, it's kind of hard to be when the Ticats have a ridiculous cushion on every play.

[gilthethrill]

I don't think the tackling was an issue in the game on Monday, it's kind of hard to be when the Ticats have a ridiculous cushion on every play.

Agreed. In addition, it's hard to pressure the QB when his receivers are open so quickly. How many offensive players have won "Shaw Player of the Week"awards while facing the Argo D? I have lost count. If there is a change at DC, is it possible Creehan could go back to DL coach?

[Argo57]

Agreed. In addition, it's hard to pressure the QB when his receivers are open so quickly. How many offensive players have won "Shaw Player of the Week"awards while facing the Argo D? I have lost count. If there is a change at DC, is it possible Creehan could go back to DL coach?

Another clue to the quality of our D is our play against rookie QB's (Marve and Franklin) for example, these guys look like all stars when playing the Argos yet in subsequent games facing defensive systems designed by Stubler, Chris Jones, Noel Thorpe and the like look like overmatched rookies in over their heads.