September 11, 2015: Hamilton Tiger-Cats vs. Toronto Argonauts

**AngeloV** · 09-09-2015, 08:32 PM

Originally Posted by jerrym

I basically agreement with your assessment. However, teams occasionally get lucky at playoff time due to key injuries to the other team, an off game by their opponent, an above average performance by their own players, or a few lucky breaks. Beyond these rare occurrences, I don't see the Argos going far in the playoffs.

True. There have been a lot of Grey Cup winners with less than stellar regular seasons. As we know, a .500 team winning the cup is not that rare.

**Wobbler** · 09-10-2015, 06:15 PM

The depth chart is finally up. Yurichuk and Agnew are our starting outside linebackers - I sure hope we don't need to tackle anyone tomorrow.

**Ron** · 09-10-2015, 06:47 PM

There's always the chance that the Cats offensive players wore themselves out on Monday.

**Argo57** · 09-10-2015, 08:31 PM

Originally Posted by Wobbler

The depth chart is finally up. Yurichuk and Agnew are our starting outside linebackers - I sure hope we don't need to tackle anyone tomorrow.

Hopefully Hamilton is overconfident and drinking heavily tonight, otherwise probably will be a long night.
Question is if the Argonauts get beaten soundly and or humiliated tomorrow night will some heads finally roll??

**AngeloV** · 09-10-2015, 08:53 PM

Originally Posted by Argo57

Question is if the Argonauts get beaten soundly and or humiliated tomorrow night will some heads finally roll??

I would think they would have to..especially heading into the bye.

**Stevoman** · 09-10-2015, 11:43 PM

Linebacking looks like it might be a problem tomorrow! Is Spencer actually in????

**ArgoRavi** · 09-11-2015, 01:55 AM

Originally Posted by Stevoman

Linebacking looks like it might be a problem tomorrow! Is Spencer actually in????

Spencer is on the 46 but I am guessing that he will be one of the two scratches.

**ArgoRavi** · 09-11-2015, 01:58 AM

Originally Posted by Argo57

Question is if the Argonauts get beaten soundly and or humiliated tomorrow night will some heads finally roll??

What if the Argos have their finest defensive game of the season and shuts down the potent Hamilton offence? Would that be treated as a "one off" and some heads will still roll during the bye or will it be treated as a sign of things to come with the current personnel and defensive coaches?

**Argo** · 09-11-2015, 07:14 AM

Originally Posted by ArgoRavi

What if the Argos have their finest defensive game of the season and shuts down the potent Hamilton offence? Would that be treated as a "one off" and some heads will still roll during the bye or will it be treated as a sign of things to come with the current personnel and defensive coaches?

Short-term pain in aid of long-term gain seems far more likely.

**Argo57** · 09-11-2015, 07:48 AM

Originally Posted by ArgoRavi

What if the Argos have their finest defensive game of the season and shuts down the potent Hamilton offence? Would that be treated as a "one off" and some heads will still roll during the bye or will it be treated as a sign of things to come with the current personnel and defensive coaches?

Wouldn't hold your breath on that one Ravi.

**Will** · 09-11-2015, 09:40 AM

Originally Posted by ArgoRavi

What if the Argos have their finest defensive game of the season and shuts down the potent Hamilton offence? Would that be treated as a "one off" and some heads will still roll during the bye or will it be treated as a sign of things to come with the current personnel and defensive coaches?

Hypothetically speaking, I would have to treat it as a "one off" until the team puts up a couple of similar performances to make me think otherwise.

**Argocister** · 09-11-2015, 12:55 PM

Originally Posted by ArgoRavi

What if the Argos have their finest defensive game of the season and shuts down the potent Hamilton offence? Would that be treated as a "one off" and some heads will still roll during the bye or will it be treated as a sign of things to come with the current personnel and defensive coaches?

I'm thinking a one off as well .... but .... I would like to hold on for a few more games .... like 8!

**AngeloV** · 09-11-2015, 01:32 PM

If at all possible, I would fire him regardless of outcome tonight. When the Argos allow teams to convert as many 2nd and long situations as they do, it points directly to the man calling the defence. Wrong defensive calls in key situations.

**argotom** · 09-11-2015, 01:43 PM

Originally Posted by ArgoRavi

What if the Argos have their finest defensive game of the season and shuts down the potent Hamilton offence? Would that be treated as a "one off" and some heads will still roll during the bye or will it be treated as a sign of things to come with the current personnel and defensive coaches?

It hasn't happened all year save and except the Fort Mac game.
If it does, it's definitely a fluke.

**R.J** · 09-11-2015, 03:00 PM

Originally Posted by Argo57

Hopefully Hamilton is overconfident and drinking heavily tonight, otherwise probably will be a long night.
Question is if the Argonauts get beaten soundly and or humiliated tomorrow night will some heads finally roll??

Originally Posted by AngeloV

I would think they would have to..especially heading into the bye.

Originally Posted by AngeloV

If at all possible, I would fire him regardless of outcome tonight. When the Argos allow teams to convert as many 2nd and long situations as they do, it points directly to the man calling the defence. Wrong defensive calls in key situations.

If the #Argos don't show well tonight, hard to believe there won't be major changes to follow. #CFL
— Curtis Rush (@CurtisGRush) September 11, 2015

Originally Posted by ArgoRavi

What if the Argos have their finest defensive game of the season and shuts down the potent Hamilton offence? Would that be treated as a "one off" and some heads will still roll during the bye or will it be treated as a sign of things to come with the current personnel and defensive coaches?

One off, pull it off 3-4 games in a row and continue to progress then I'd see it as a positive sign. You can bet that I'm not going to hold my breath in anticipation of this happening.

**Gill The Thrill** · 09-11-2015, 03:04 PM

I can't believe there will be people with basic cable that will not have access to watching a Hamilton-Toronto CFL game on their one TSN signal...crazy and why the league should never have gone away from having an over-the-air carrier that would have allowed every TV in Canada to have accessible CFL coverage. Truth was if you had basic cable with Rogers in Toronto, then you may not have seen a CFL game on TV in 5 years (including Grey Cups) as they offer Sportsnet Ontario, but no TSN.

That can't be good for ratings and shows how good ratings are despite access or how many people who still have cable don't just have basic cable?

As for the game, I'm hoping for a closer game than Monday's. Objectively predicting a Ticats win, but hopefully a good game.

Score Prediction - Hamilton 34 , Toronto 24. Argo secondary still the achilles heel of this team as the Ticats will make big plays that'll be the difference. Argo offence will hopefully perform better, but Milo will not lean on the running game enough to make a difference. If Kackert and Whitaker get the blocking and are given the ball, then the Argos may discover how to beat this Cats team the way Montreal has twice this season...with a solid ground game.

**AngeloV** · 09-11-2015, 03:28 PM

Originally Posted by Gill The Thrill

I can't believe there will be people with basic cable that will not have access to watching a Hamilton-Toronto CFL game on their one TSN signal...crazy and why the league should never have gone away from having an over-the-air carrier that would have allowed every TV in Canada to have accessible CFL coverage.

You do know that when the league had over-the-air carriers as their rights holders that not every game was televised, and even those that were televised were subject to blackout in the local market, right?

**ArgoRavi** · 09-11-2015, 03:42 PM

Originally Posted by AngeloV

If at all possible, I would fire him regardless of outcome tonight. When the Argos allow teams to convert as many 2nd and long situations as they do, it points directly to the man calling the defence. Wrong defensive calls in key situations.

I don't want to be in a situation where I am hoping that the Argos have another crappy defensive performance tonight and lose so that Creehan can be fired. In fact, I cannot hope for that. My hope is that, regardless of what happens in tonight's game, the Argo brass will take a long, hard look at the defence and team in general as this upcoming bye week is really their last chance to make any major changes for this season.

**AngeloV** · 09-11-2015, 03:53 PM

Originally Posted by ArgoRavi

I don't want to be in a situation where I am hoping that the Argos have another crappy defensive performance tonight and lose so that Creehan can be fired. In fact, I cannot hope for that. My hope is that, regardless of what happens in tonight's game, the Argo brass will take a long, hard look at the defence and team in general as this upcoming bye week is really their last chance to make any major changes for this season.

I agree Ravi. That's why I say win or lose tonight, it has to be done.

Furthermore, as I have stated before, he is a bad representative of the organization. I've been to practice where there are groups of kids around, and he just goes off with loud F bomb after F bomb. It really is embarrassing.

**Ron** · 09-11-2015, 04:17 PM

Originally Posted by Gill The Thrill

why the league should never have gone away from having an over-the-air carrier that would have allowed every TV in Canada to have accessible CFL coverage. .

LOL. You act like the CFL had a choice.

And to the general topic ...

I don't see any heads rolling even if the get blown out again.