Just had a phone call from Rob our Argo ticket guy.

[1argoholic]

So I used some fine language to address my frustrations followed by a laugh so he knew I wasn't pissed with him or the team. He said that it sounds like if the Jays get to the world series Oct 30th and Nov 6th would both be a no go at Rogers. If the Jays win tomorrow I'm sure they'll be hard to beat in a game 7. My post MLB prediction could be coming true. Tomorrow is obviously key.

[Antwon]

I'm done with getting worked up about the Argos losing home dates. Yes I still hate Rogers!


Think about it. (this is based on what I've read and heard over the years)


C&S buy the team and start talking with soccer Canada about a joint stadium
C&S walk away from soccer Canada
C&S want to move to Varsity. NIMBY pressures U of T to say no.
C&S start talking with York U about a stadium
Talks progress with York
Paul Godfrey offers C&S a sweetheart deal to stay at the dome.
C&S with nudging from Braley take the short sighted deal.
Braley takes ownership and continues to take deals from Rogers which get worse.


The reality is what's happening this year could have been going on the last 10-15 years!!!!
If the jays had been making the post season and bumping Argo games back when C&S were looking at other options, it may have changed their decision.


The future will be 200% better at BMO Field. But I still can forgive C&S and their short sighted deal!
You can't say enough about the players, coaches, and all the team staff for getting through this in a professional manner!!

[AngeloV]

I'm done with getting worked up about the Argos losing home dates. Yes I still hate Rogers!


Think about it. (this is based on what I've read and heard over the years)


C&S buy the team and start talking with soccer Canada about a joint stadium
C&S walk away from soccer Canada
C&S want to move to Varsity. NIMBY pressures U of T to say no.
C&S start talking with York U about a stadium
Talks progress with York
Paul Godfrey offers C&S a sweetheart deal to stay at the dome.
C&S with nudging from Braley take the short sighted deal.
Braley takes ownership and continues to take deals from Rogers which get worse.


The reality is what's happening this year could have been going on the last 10-15 years!!!!
If the jays had been making the post season and bumping Argo games back when C&S were looking at other options, it may have changed their decision.


The future will be 200% better at BMO Field. But I still can forgive C&S and their short sighted deal!
You can't say enough about the players, coaches, and all the team staff for getting through this in a professional manner!!

Great post...but I still reserve the right to rant from time to time. LOL

[argotom]

Great post...but I still reserve the right to rant from time to time. LOL

Just like your logo at bottom of each page, absolutely most of us here have to rant and show displeasure with Rogers and anyone connected to same.
In my own way, I have years ago divested from all Rogers products and this year during the playoffs made a pledge and so far have not and will not watch the Crap Jays.
As for my 2 cents on C & S, by the way they were blindsided by the City of Toronto and MLSE with the carpetbaggers known as Soccer Canada having no skin in the stadium game.

[T-Bone]

As for my 2 cents on C & S, by the way they were blindsided by the City of Toronto and MLSE with the carpetbaggers known as Soccer Canada having no skin in the stadium game.

That's revisionist history agolio.

[AngeloV]

That's revisionist history agolio.

As the owner of the site, you should know better than to go off topic like that. Responding to a post from another thread in this one can easily be labeled as a weasel move.

C&S only had success when Pelley was running the show.

Hate to admit it, but the way they set up the Skydome with the big tarps of the all-time Argo's in the 500 endzones was way better than it is now.

And then Pelley went on to work for Rogers. A conspiracy theorist would say he was a plant to de-value the franchise on a go forward basis.

[Will]

That's revisionist history agolio.

Argolio did not make the quoted post.

I really wish people would actually read Dick Peddie's book. C&S tried to get into BMO before it was built and even willing to put money in, they were sandbagged by Peddie and the City.

Would you be able to post the quotes from the book that deal with this topic?

[Antwon]

Great post...but I still reserve the right to rant from time to time. LOL

Dang one typo...can...should have been can't forgive C&S.!
But I do remember the dome being more exciting when they owned them with Pelley working for them.
And I forgot about Peddie's book saying how they screwed them!

[Rocket]

I'm done with getting worked up about the Argos losing home dates. Yes I still hate Rogers!


Think about it. (this is based on what I've read and heard over the years)


C&S buy the team and start talking with soccer Canada about a joint stadium
C&S walk away from soccer Canada
C&S want to move to Varsity. NIMBY pressures U of T to say no.
C&S start talking with York U about a stadium
Talks progress with York
Paul Godfrey offers C&S a sweetheart deal to stay at the dome.
C&S with nudging from Braley take the short sighted deal.
Braley takes ownership and continues to take deals from Rogers which get worse.


The reality is what's happening this year could have been going on the last 10-15 years!!!!
If the jays had been making the post season and bumping Argo games back when C&S were looking at other options, it may have changed their decision.


The future will be 200% better at BMO Field. But I still can forgive C&S and their short sighted deal!
You can't say enough about the players, coaches, and all the team staff for getting through this in a professional manner!!

Yeah I could forgive c&s for their short sighted deal but I can never forgive a guy like Braley for encouraging c&s to do the deal with Rogers. Any advice taken from Braley has always put the cfl back just when you think the cfl moves a couple steps ahead big headed Braley always comes into the situation and screws everyone up.

[Rocket]

So I used some fine language to address my frustrations followed by a laugh so he knew I wasn't pissed with him or the team. He said that it sounds like if the Jays get to the world series Oct 30th and Nov 6th would both be a no go at Rogers. If the Jays win tomorrow I'm sure they'll be hard to beat in a game 7. My post MLB prediction could be coming true. Tomorrow is obviously key.

I do hope we get to see at least one more home game at skydome. As much as I hate the current ownership regime of this team I had many good memories of going to Argo games at skydome. I would also like to have some kind of protest to the scum bag Rogers at that game as well and expose those greedy pieces of crap.

[argotom]

I do hope we get to see at least one more home game at skydome. As much as I hate the current ownership regime of this team I had many good memories of going to Argo games at skydome. I would also like to have some kind of protest to the scum bag Rogers at that game as well and expose those greedy pieces of crap.

Ok why don't we organize something?

[AngeloV]

I don't know why C&S are getting such a pass. They knew what they were doing and IMO never intended to put any of their own money into the Argos or a stadium. All they did was paper the house to create a false impression that they were doing a great job. I'm sure they were hoping that people in power would get an all warm and fuzzy feeling and give them money. IMO, their BS act is not better than what Braley has done.

[Rocket]

I don't know why C&S are getting such a pass. They knew what they were doing and IMO never intended to put any of their own money into the Argos or a stadium. All they did was paper the house to create a false impression that they were doing a great job. I'm sure they were hoping that people in power would get an all warm and fuzzy feeling and give them money. IMO, their BS act is not better than what Braley has done.

It's simple going to Argo games was so entertaining when c&s owned the team not to many times did I think we needed a new stadium when they were running things. Going to Argo games at skydome with over 30,000 fans with even having fans sit up in the 500 level seats with the other seats being covered by great looking Argo banners was great. Always my favorite summer activity was going to Argo games with the roof open with that type of athomsphere. Unlike these days going to Argo games with Braley owning them just Sucks period!

[Gill The Thrill]

It's simple going to Argo games was so entertaining when c&s owned the team not to many times did I think we needed a new stadium when they were running things. Going to Argo games at skydome with over 30,000 fans with even having fans sit up in the 500 level seats with the other seats being covered by great looking Argo banners was great. Always my favorite summer activity was going to Argo games with the roof open with that type of athomsphere. Unlike these days going to Argo games with Braley owning them just Sucks period!

Hmmm...this message is brought to us by the PR department for C&S, maybe even Rogers corp.

For a guy who pisses on other posters and says going to BMO will be a tough sell on fans, I really don't know what else to think of your post. Yah, it was ok with C&S (at least in attendance and appearance), but in the end Angelo is right, they're false promises to Argo fans were more for show, pomp and ceremony than any true committment. I wrote about that when they cancelled all set plans for a partnership with York and decided to renew at Rogers. Damn right, they are about as responsible as anybody was for the Argos predicament this season. Braley is obviously no Mr.Popularity and never looked for the limelight, unlike these clowns, whom had Braley cover their expenses to even pay players.

Yet, you praise these non-commital local owners and crap on the Argos today, especially Rudge and Braley...I just find it odd, and am curious as to what your personal or professional relationship is to all involved in these conversations.

[Argo]

I seem to recall grazing a headline just the other day that stated Rogers had an excellent fiscal year.

[1971GreyCup]

I seem to recall grazing a headline just the other day that stated Rogers had an excellent fiscal year.

I am in finance and can say that shareholders aren't enamoured with this company either. Share price has moved sideways for a decade as you can see.

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[Neely2005]

I am in finance and can say that shareholders aren't enamoured with this company either. Share price has moved sideways for a decade as you can see.

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Has the share Split at all during that time?

It looks like it's been doing pretty well lately.

[1971GreyCup]

Has the share Split at all during that time?

It looks like it's been doing pretty well lately.

Hasn't split shares in a decade. Most shareholders are pretty impatient with value creation. It has been doing well lately. Wo well, that it actually just exceeded the share price achieved around a decade ago. Most of that time, shareholders lived on the dividend and it was no comfort that their shares were underwater. BCE Inc., the company that owns Bell Canada has been a far better experience for owners. I am shedding no tears for Rogers.

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[Neely2005]

Hasn't split shares in a decade. Most shareholders are pretty impatient with value creation. It has been doing well lately. Wo well, that it actually just exceeded the share price achieved around a decade ago. Most of that time, shareholders lived on the dividend and it was no comfort that their shares were underwater. BCE Inc., the company that owns Bell Canada has been a far better experience for owners. I am shedding no tears for Rogers.

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It split in 2007:

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/repor...service=mobile

[argonaut11xx]

C&S only had success when Pelley was running the show.

Hate to admit it, but the way they set up the Skydome with the big tarps of the all-time Argo's in the 500 endzones was way better than it is now.