November 15, 2015: Toronto Argonauts vs. Hamilton Tiger-Cats

**Scooter McCray** · 11-09-2015, 12:22 PM

Originally Posted by 1argoholic

I wouldn't feel all pumped by this game. We haven't exactly played lights out and our D is so so at best. Hamilton's D carries that team and plays us really well. With makeshift qb's at the helm they played Ottawa tough and the trickery worked again. If we need to score 35 to 40 points to win it won't happen. I really hope we can win our first game at Tims but I won't hold my breath. Milanovich has to pull out some trick or unusual plays to help us on Sunday.

As long as Argos do not allow defensive or special teams scores there is no way the Hamilton offence can put up multiple touchdowns with the quarterbacks they have. It should be a close game and I should the Argos win the turnover battle they can win.

**ArgoRavi** · 11-09-2015, 12:27 PM

Originally Posted by Scooter McCray

As long as Argos do not allow defensive or special teams scores there is no way the Hamilton offence can put up multiple touchdowns with the quarterbacks they have. It should be a close game and I should the Argos win the turnover battle they can win.

Scooter is right. Win the turnover battle and don't take stupid penalties. Force the Hamilton offence to march down the field for their points which will be a real challenge for them.

**AngeloV** · 11-09-2015, 01:58 PM

Originally Posted by ArgoRavi

Scooter is right. Win the turnover battle and don't take stupid penalties. Force the Hamilton offence to march down the field for their points which will be a real challenge for them.

Of course, that didn't help in the B.C. game. Argos dominated the turnover battle in that game.

**Scooter McCray** · 11-09-2015, 02:29 PM

Originally Posted by AngeloV

Of course, that didn't help in the B.C. game. Argos dominated the turnover battle in that game.

You are right. But that is such an outlier. If you win the turnover battle like that you should win 99% of the time. 2 missed FGS by Toronto cost them. Rogers is long gone.

**QBall** · 11-09-2015, 12:36 PM

Originally Posted by 1argoholic

I wouldn't feel all pumped by this game. We haven't exactly played lights out and our D is so so at best. Hamilton's D carries that team and plays us really well. With makeshift qb's at the helm they played Ottawa tough and the trickery worked again. If we need to score 35 to 40 points to win it won't happen. I really hope we can win our first game at Tims but I won't hold my breath. Milanovich has to pull out some trick or unusual plays to help us on Sunday.

Meh, tricks are for kids. I think our defense has it's shit together a little better than Ottawa. I see us forcing whomever the tabbies have left as QB into making lots of errors. This won't be a cakewalk but I think we'll be well prepared for this game.

**PullTogether73** · 11-09-2015, 11:19 PM

Originally Posted by QBall

I think our defense has it's shit together a little better than Ottawa.

????
Since that statement is unsupported by any statistic of defensive play this year, you'll have to explain how you come to that conclusion!

**1argoholic** · 11-09-2015, 02:13 PM

I really do hope for an Argo win so every Argo fan in attendance can watch Hamilton fans bail like rats off of a sinking ship. It's really a rare but great feeling for TO fans in Hamilton. I'll be at home but I've experienced the losing end while at Ivor Wynne too many times and the Cats fans yapping just doesn't stop. Hope Ray can be vintage Ray.

**OV Argo** · 11-09-2015, 05:06 PM

IF any of those Ticats QBs out duel or perform either of Ray or Harris there is something big-time wrong with that picture = no way the Ticats should win this game based on a better offence - they are not clearly better in any phase of offence (though receiving corps' might be fairly equal, maybe O-line too); scoring way more points with better offensive drives would mean, IMO, the Ticats have wayyyyy smarter offensive coaches - play-book & calling.

Ticats have IMO a very solid D, but the Argos can play solid there too but are vulnerable in the D-backfield (injury status with Gabriel & Smith, Hawkins ?) = Ticats have an advantage with a better D AND ... better return game if Banks is healthy; kicking game is the big question mark; IF Waters is back and good to go - Argos are as good or better, especially big advantage in punting: Medlock is a very accurate FG kicker but a lousy punter (Kenty going to stick with him as a punter in the play-offs?)

So ... Arrrrrrrrrrrrrgooos win easily ;o) - picked up my tickets today to cheer them on in the East final at Lansdowne on the 22nd !!!

**1971GreyCup** · 11-09-2015, 05:46 PM

I am hoping QB Mitchell Gale doesn't come back to haunt us. He has the arm, and as played plenty against our defence. I expect Kent Austen will do whatever it takes to blow this open and try and take momentum early. Last 4 games against us (2014/15) he was very successful. Gable will see the ball plenty.

**OV Argo** · 11-09-2015, 06:03 PM

Originally Posted by 1971GreyCup

I am hoping QB Mitchell Gale doesn't come back to haunt us. He has the arm, and as played plenty against our defence. I expect Kent Austen will do whatever it takes to blow this open and try and take momentum early. Last 4 games against us (2014/15) he was very successful. Gable will see the ball plenty.

??? - if Kenty had any intention of playing Gale at QB he surely would have gone to him in the Ottawa game rather than going with Harris & Mazoli

**AngeloV** · 11-09-2015, 08:02 PM

Originally Posted by OV Argo

??? - if Kenty had any intention of playing Gale at QB he surely would have gone to him in the Ottawa game rather than going with Harris & Mazoli

Agreed. I said at the time the Cats signed him, the only way Gale sees the field is if both Harris and Masoli get injured. For starters, there is no way he will get any serious practice reps.

**ArgoGabe22** · 11-09-2015, 08:09 PM

Originally Posted by OV Argo

??? - if Kenty had any intention of playing Gale at QB he surely would have gone to him in the Ottawa game rather than going with Harris & Mazoli

But it may be painful to watch Gale get first downs on a sneak (if they even use him) while McPherson struggles to do so.

**AngeloV** · 11-09-2015, 08:25 PM

Originally Posted by ArgoGabe22

But it may be painful to watch Gale get first downs on a sneak (if they even use him) while McPherson struggles to do so.

That's got a lot more to do with lack of push from the line than it does the QB. McPherson was awesome at that when he played for the Als.

**R.J** · 11-10-2015, 03:04 PM

#Argos coach Milanovich says receiver Kevin Elliott will not play vs Hamilton this week. Suffered LBI vs Winn. #CFL
— Mike Hogan (@tsnmikehogan) November 10, 2015

#Argos coach Milanovich says ST ace Brian Rolle should be back and LB Cory Greenwood has been cleared to play. #CFL
— Mike Hogan (@tsnmikehogan) November 10, 2015

**AngeloV** · 11-10-2015, 03:21 PM

I love Greenwood, but I wouldn't start him over Miles at this point. Miles is playing great, and we have no idea if Greenwood can pick up where he left off after all that inactivity.

**R.J** · 11-10-2015, 03:31 PM

Originally Posted by AngeloV

I love Greenwood, but I wouldn't start him over Miles at this point. Miles is playing great, and we have no idea if Greenwood can pick up where he left off after all that inactivity.

Yeah, I saw your reply tweet to Hogie and I agree. I don't think there's a bigger Greenwood fan around these parts, but Miles has played well, we don't know if Greenwood returns to form starting from the first snap and TBH nothing wrong with sitting Greenwood out longer considering his concussion history this season. Miles is playing well, not much if any drop off, so he should start IMO.

**paulwoods13** · 11-10-2015, 04:33 PM

Originally Posted by SnowRogue

Yeah, I saw your reply tweet to Hogie and I agree. I don't think there's a bigger Greenwood fan around these parts, but Miles has played well, we don't know if Greenwood returns to form starting from the first snap and TBH nothing wrong with sitting Greenwood out longer considering his concussion history this season. Miles is playing well, not much if any drop off, so he should start IMO.

I agree as well.

**ArgoRavi** · 11-10-2015, 06:19 PM

Originally Posted by SnowRogue

Yeah, I saw your reply tweet to Hogie and I agree. I don't think there's a bigger Greenwood fan around these parts, but Miles has played well, we don't know if Greenwood returns to form starting from the first snap and TBH nothing wrong with sitting Greenwood out longer considering his concussion history this season. Miles is playing well, not much if any drop off, so he should start IMO.

I also agree. I didn't think that Greenwood was quite the same after the first concussion he suffered this season in Hamilton in August. He then came back and played two games IIRC before becoming concussed again on Labour Day

**gilthethrill** · 11-10-2015, 09:07 PM

Miles should start, maybe Greenwood can play specials....question, I am pretty sure kickoff is at 1pm Sunday, but why does CFL.ca list kickoff as TBD? Weather looks nice with 8 degrees with a 20km wind.

**Neely2005** · 11-11-2015, 07:47 AM

Originally Posted by gilthethrill

Miles should start, maybe Greenwood can play specials....question, I am pretty sure kickoff is at 1pm Sunday, but why does CFL.ca list kickoff as TBD? Weather looks nice with 8 degrees with a 20km wind.

Kickoff is at 1 PM. At one point it was saying 1 AM so maybe they're in the process of fixing it.