Some Hijacked Thread on Smoking

[Midnight Blue]

Mr. Rudge, if you are reading this forum (and respectfully, you should be, Sir), please allow cigarette smokers a place to step out for a smoke. We do not want to be sneaking smokes in the Boy's Room (I used to, years ago, but no longer do, out of respect for non-smokers). We are Football Fans; we are not a Golf or Tennis crowd. Some of us do not spend our lives, constantly running and hiding from death. On a typical Game Day, I'll have a few beers and then want to go to the game. There are or where, apparently one or two outdoor patios at the Skydome (Level Two and maybe Level One), where smoking used to be allowed. It is no big deal, but it might encourage new fans, and perhaps some old diehard fans, who otherwise feel unwelcome. Football Fans are a breed apart. We are not asking for much, Sir. Anything you can do for us, would be much appreciated. Thank You.

[DanTheFan]

Mr. Rudge, if you are reading this forum (and respectfully, you should be, Sir), please allow cigarette smokers a place to step out for a smoke. We do not want to be sneaking smokes in the Boy's Room (I used to, years ago, but no longer do, out of respect for non-smokers). We are Football Fans; we are not a Golf or Tennis crowd. Some of us do not spend our lives, constantly running and hiding from death. On a typical Game Day, I'll have a few beers and then want to go to the game. There are or where, apparently one or two outdoor patios at the Skydome (Level Two and maybe Level One), where smoking used to be allowed. It is no big deal, but it might encourage new fans, and perhaps some old diehard fans, who otherwise feel unwelcome. Football Fans are a breed apart. We are not asking for much, Sir. Anything you can do for us, would be much appreciated. Thank You.

I don't think Rudge is the man who has the say on where or where not people can smoke. I believe the laws governing the distance from the entrances of public buildings where one is allowed to smoke are provincially (if not federally) mandated. That being said, I know such laws are heavily enforced on college/university campuses but am unsure about sports venues.

[Midnight Blue]

I don't think Rudge is the man who has the say on where or where not people can smoke. I believe the laws governing the distance from the entrances of public buildings where one is allowed to smoke are provincially (if not federally) mandated. That being said, I know such laws are heavily enforced on college/university campuses but am unsure about sports venues.

Thanks, and I appreciate your reply, but there was and maybe still is a bar/restaurant/outdoor patio there, and if anyone can look into it, perhaps Mr. Rudge is the man. Cheers!

[OV Argo]

Moral majority facists need not apply to comment on non-football stuff on an Argo/football forum, IMO. ;o)

Smoking kills? - really? - so do automobile accidents and excessive fat in diets; maybe Big Brother should ban driving and cheeseburgers too; attendance could go down at sporting events though.

[marcwagz]

smoking is the number 1 reason people get sick that is easily preventable...
the fact that people usually only start to look cool shows how pathetic our society is
"I'll die 15 years early, but at least I'm cool!"

[RoRoYoBoat]

No longer true if it ever was. Obesity and its friend Diabetes are the #1 cause of disease in Canada. Also Cancer rate is up 10 000 percent in juveniles compared with 1950 figures. I don't think smoking is healthy but it is not the main health problem in this country.

1-Obesity:
2-Prescription drugs (35% of kids on Ritalin !) 25% of the population on re=uptake inhibitors !
3-Air Pollution (Toronto and Montreal)
4-Antibiotic resistance

All would rank higher than smoking tobacco in this day and age. Just easy for people to feel good about their habits by transposition to smokers.

[marcwagz]

obesity and diabetes, although preventable, are far less preventable than smoking.
obesity can and is very genetic, many people eat normal amounts of calories but are still overweight, smoking is a deliberate choice to deteriorate your health.
yes a lot of people who are over weight could simply not eat so much, but a lot of people really can't do that.

ritalin doesn't have known cancer causing side effects, and its effects on the heart are much less documented than cigarettes
and having a depressed percentage of the population take re-uptake inhibitors (although cognitive/interpersonal therapy would also work but are not as easy to administer as simple drugs) is better then having them catatonic and in limbo of considering/attempting suicide. Considering not treating someone with something like Borderline personality disorder is a little ridiculous but even a major depressive episode left alone could be quite problematic.
I'm a psych grad, but I won't go on about all that.
Drugs are overused, yes, specifically for ADHD, but thats because the principles for diagnosing ADHD are stone dumb. It is supposed to be if the parents and teachers agree (which is dumb conjecture in its own right) but nowadays if a parent thinks it and can find a loose doctor (who is never a psychiatrist...) then they can get their child ritalin.

The main thing to note is, in most cases, especially personality disorders like borderline and bipolar the drugs are prolonging the expected life span a lot more than they are shrinking it.


Air pollution would be interesting to analyze. I don't live in toronto luckily, but comparing city and rural lifespans is surely something that has been done.

[ArgoGabe22]

#1 killer I believe is heart disease, no? Well that's what I learned in school.

[marcwagz]

#1 killer I believe is heart disease, no? Well that's what I learned in school.

and smoking is a major cause of heart disease!

[ArgoGabe22]

According to the stats I have via school powerpoint.

The leading causes of death are 38% cardiovascular, 28% cancer, respiratory 9% accidents 6%, and diabetes 2%.

Smoking is a major cause to cancer and type 2 diabetes. So is poor diet, family history, inactivity etc. I think everyone knows this.

40% of cancer is preventable. 21% of preventable cancer is caused by smoking. The next largest causes that are preventable are alcohol and poor dieting at both 5% each. Overweight and Obesity is only at 2% and air pollution is only 1%.

Some doctors would heavily argue that the obesity epidemic is largely inflated by the media. One of my profs who researches obesity came out with a study saying people who are obese aren't necessarily unhealthy and that there is actually nothing wrong with being overweight. Of course it all depends if they smoke, use drugs, are active, daily intake of fat, sugar, cancer causing chemicals.

Smoking is bad, I don't see how one can argue against this. It is legal and people have a right a smoke as long as they are smoking in the appropriate places and I don't care if one chooses to smoke as long as you don't blow it in my face.

[R.J]

#1 killer I believe is heart disease, no? Well that's what I learned in school.

Cancer is no the number 1, at least of Oct. 2011, and the leading form of cancer is.................... Breast Cancer. Heart disease is #2, and #3 is strokes.
BTW people can easily get heart disease and strokes without smoking.

[ArgoGabe22]

Cancer is no the number 1, at least of Oct. 2011, and the leading form of cancer is.................... Breast Cancer. Heart disease is #2, and #3 is strokes.
BTW people can easily get heart disease and strokes without smoking.

From what source? If its true then it is. All previous data is based from 2008, the last year stats can came out with a report.

People can get cancer from anything, I was arguing that smoking is worse than obesity and that smoking leads the way in preventable cancers/death.

[1argoholic]

Anyone that thinks that sucking on a nic stick isn't harmful is a smoker or has their head in the clouds. I could care less if people die from smoking, over eating crap or being drug or alclohol abusers. I just want them to die fast, say of a massive heart attack so there isn't a strain on the health care system. Argogabe I'm with you on your last line.
I agree that it may not just be the smoking that kills someone but the triple chesseburger, biggy fries and super large coke they are sucking back just before the smoke.
Funny how there's an obesity problem that popped up not long after the drive through and home computers were invented. I barely can remember a fat kid in school when I was younger. 90% of kids in my day were out doing stuff on bikes or being active. Oh well this isn't about football.

[paulwoods13]

One post about the actual subject of the thread (Chris Rudge "game face") and 17 posts about smoking cigarettes. Glad it's the off-season.

[RoRoYoBoat]

23 percent of Canadian are Obese. 34 percent of Americans. The rate is rising every year. I don't have figures but what is the percentage of Canadians that smoke ? 10 percent. What I am saying is far more Canadians are obese than are smokers but we don't talk about that... Caloric intake is not the major issue. I volunteer time to help people in a sheltered workshop. Over 90 percent of them are below the poverty line and about a third are obese. If most of your food intake is cheap carbs and processed hot dogs you will can get fat. And obesity is proven to shorten your life span in 100 percent of cases and it is proven that it will lead to back, hip and joint problems and other ailments.

So don't tell me Obesity is not preventable. That is where people need to focus their efforts if they want a healtyer society. Is all I am saying. I have a friend who has a 3 and a half year old child who is 92 pounds ! Was at their place for dinner. They split 2 large frozen lasagnas and had most of two litres of Royal Cola with their food, the 3 year old had at least 16 oz of that cola. Not preventable LOL !

[ArgoGabe22]

Well geez its not the first time a threads been hijacked. Yea it got off topic but I don't see why you're so concerned. Its not like I even started it, someone just raises a few points I will post my own opinion and if someone follows up on it, if i feel I need too then I will post a reply. I'm a health major so I obviously have a passion for it.

In every forum a post will somehow get off topic, that's just how it is. I honestly don't get what your point is with that video. Are you're trying to attempt to "hijack" an already hijacked thread? If so at least in your Rudge thread you can clearly see how it got started. This is just random. If that's not the case then I apologize because I just don't get it. I usually keep my opinions to my self but I think Family Guy is the stupidest show ever created.