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    Quote Originally Posted by Ron View Post
    That Tower of Joy was interesting. Having not read the books I wondered what you were so looking out for. If I understood it correctly ... Jon Snow is way bigger part of this story than I thought.
    Yup. Essentially I was looking for confirmation as to who Jon Snow really is. There's a lot more to it though, so for anyone reading this that doesn't want to get spoiled; I'd suggest not reading the rest of my post.





    The novel series written by George R.R. Martin is called "A Song of Ice & Fire", which is a big hint as to who Jon Snow really is. The Tower of Joy wasn't mentioned by name in the show, but the books bring it up a couple of times. One of the biggest questions around the show and books is "who are Jon Snow's parents ?". The biggest reasoning behind this is that Ned never actually says that Jon is his son, just that he's of his blood. At the cross roads where Ned and Jon go separate ways Jon asks Ned about his mother and Ned's reply is that the next time they see each other he'll tell Jon of his mother. So even that leads to a question - why Ned want Jon to "say the words" of the Night Watch ? If he's Ned's Bastard it wouldn't have mattered.................. Unless of course he isn't Ned's bastard. In the beginning we're lead to believe that Rhaegar kidnaps and rapes Lyanna, which leads to the war; however, Oberyn's conversation with Tyrion gives a hint of something different. Oberyn tells Tyrion that the last time he was in King's Landing that there was a tournament at Harrenhall and that Rhaegar "ran off" with another women. Barristan Selmy tells Daenerys her brother was a good man and loved singing not fighting. Ser Barristan also acknowledges that Rhaegar would have made a good king. Dany also has a vision of Rhaegar dying and whispers Lyanna's name before he dies; which is a another hint that Rhaegar didn't kidnap and rape Lyanna, but that he loved her.

    In the books Lyanna is hesitant to marry Robert (her betrothed) because she knew what he was - a whoring drunk. What is also mentioned in the books that Rhaegar married Elia Martell because of an arrangement; however Elia becomes barren after giving birth to Aegon (their second child - first was a girl name Rhaenys). Rhaegar then says "There must be another. The Dragon has three heads". In the books Dany has a vision of this and Rhaegar singing the song of ice & fire - in the show Dany see's the throne room full of snow, a blue flower and when she leaves the throne room she's "transported" to the wall, so yet another big clue.

    Rhaegar and his father the Mad King did not see eye to eye and one of the reasons Aerys was so paranoid was because he thought even his sons would be after the throne. Which is true, because Rhaegar thought his father was a terrible King and if he won the war - Rhaegar promised that "things would change". Rhaegar is also big on prophecies as he initially thought it was he who was the "Prince that was Promised", but eventually realizes that he is not and that it's one of his children who will be. Rhaegar believes it to be Aegon due to the comet he sees prior to Aegon birth. Part of the prophecy is that a "bleeding star" will proceed the Prince that was promised/Azor Ahai reborn. This bit was very interesting to me, because we get to see it when Jon is born, not a comet but the sword that Ned takes with him to see Lyanna. The sword is known as Dawn and is said to have been made from a fallen star; it is the ancestral greatsword of House Dayne. The wielder of the sword is known as "Sword of Morning". The sword has blood on it when Ned takes it up the Tower of Joy, so it could be seen as part of the prophecy. Another thing worth mentioning it that Ser Arthur Dayne wasn't just part of Rhaegar's Royal Guard, but also his best friend and the greatest swordsman at the time............ So why would Rhaegar ask Arthur to protect the Tower and what's inside; instead of going with Rhaegar to fight ?

    Jon Snow is the son of Rhaegar Targaryen and Lyanna Stark. Not sure yet if Jon is legitimate or not, but the Targaryens did practice polygamy in the past. Even if Jon is a bastard it really isn't that big of a deal as Dany could legitimize him. Dany is one head of the Dragon and the "true dragon"; hence why she is immune to fire. Jon isn't immune to fire and has "Stark abilities" (warging), but that shouldn't stop him from being able to ride a dragon since he is of dragon blood. Azor Ahai seems to be more than one person as Jon is the song of ice & fire, who is thought will bring balance back to realm and a bleeding star proceeds his birth. Dany however is the one who awoke the "stone dragons" and was born on Dragonstone.

    Essentially now there's two questions left when it comes to Jon. #1. Is Jon legitimate ? and #2. Jon's name I suppose. I think it'll end up being Jaehaerys; which would make a lot of sense. Jaehaerys I is considered the best king to ever rule the Seven Kingdoms; his rule brought peace, stability and justice to the realm. Another thing worth mentioning is that Jaehaerys' wife Alysanne was his most trusted counselor and she was so moved by the bravery of the Night's Watch that she convinced her husband to double the Night's Watch in terms of land, castles and men. So if Jon's name really is Jaehaerys; it would link him even more with the wall and the North.

    There's more to it, but I can't remember it all right now, so hopefully it helps. Apologies to anyone who was spoiled, but I did warn yeah.
    Last edited by R.J; 06-29-2016 at 06:38 PM.

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