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    Quote Originally Posted by zontar View Post
    Thought we were talking about austin as a coach.
    As a fan I couldnt care less what is attitude is or how big his ego is as long as he delivers and players continue to buy in. How he acts or how many people dont like him is completely irrelevent to me.
    So you're OK with Austin being a complete douche to Ti-Cats beat writer Drew Edwards?

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    Quote Originally Posted by KCargosfan View Post
    So you're OK with Austin being a complete douche to Ti-Cats beat writer Drew Edwards?
    Why does a fan have to take sides at all ?. Why does the media need to be coddled or comforted ?

    And if i did it would be the one with actual working knowledge of the game and not the one with 1/800th of the knowledge.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Argo57 View Post
    Fair points Zontar as a Hamilton fan one would expect your perspective, I much preferred Cortez personally!!
    Like anything winning and success cures all.
    All I care about is success. Whether the coach is a nice guy or likeable to outside people is a silly minor detail in my opinion
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    Quote Originally Posted by zontar View Post
    All I care about is success. Whether the coach is a nice guy or likeable to outside people is a silly minor detail in my opinion
    As long as he wins you are correct, if the team's performance slides the fans will turn on him quickly.
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    One question is how will the relationship between Austin and Ptaszek develops.

    If there's a risk in hiring Stefan Ptaszek as the new offensive co-ordinator of the Hamilton Tiger-Cats, it's this: Kent Austin doesn't really know the man.
    Which doesn't mean there isn't a connection.
    It began in 1994 when Ptaszek was the ninth overall pick in the CFL draft, selected as a receiver out of Wilfrid Laurier by B.C. Lions, whose general manager was Eric Tillman. He arrived at rookie camp later that spring to work out with the other first-year players and the team's quarterbacks: starter Kent Austin and backup Danny McManus.
    Ptaszek would hurt himself in training camp and return to Laurier for a final year so he never played a game with Austin. ...

    "I was retired for three years and I wanted to come back and have a better experience, and the first person I called was Eric Tillman," Ptaszek said. "He not only drafted me, he gave my second chance.
    "He's a mentor and someone that I have reached out to throughout my career to ask questions. Kent's friendship with Eric holds high, high value with me."
    Ptaszek also saw the family side of Austin when his son Wes, a local high school football player, visited McMaster for a recruiting visit a month ago. This wasn't Austin the coach but instead Austin in Dad mode.
    "He was so focused on his son's academics and making sure that he was going to be in the right environment," Ptaszek said. "Seeing him as a father, the respect for the son's career, his support for him provided as much insight into the human being as I could possibly have."
    Even Ptaszek's wife, Karen, had her own sense of Austin. A producer for TSN, she was an editor on a series of roundtable discussions among CFL coaches that featured Austin and appeared on the network last year. She also knows Tillman from his time as an analyst on the network.
    It was all these small threads woven together — along with five hours' worth of interviews and film breakdown — that has allowed Austin and Ptaszek to feel confident that the partnership can work. ...
    Generally speaking, head coaches have well-established working relationships with their co-ordinators, in the same way that many organizations often prefer to hire within. The man Ptaszek is replacing, Tommy Condell, worked with Austin for three seasons at Cornell University, then three more in Hamilton. The new offensive line coach, Mike Markuson, was with Austin at Ole Miss.
    Ptaszek, who is coming in after becoming a highly successful head coach at McMaster, understands the uniqueness of his situation and the potential pitfalls. But his answer in addressing those concerns was, well, Austinesque.
    "There are things you can control and things you can't. What you can control is the people you can work with, and the skill set that you have. With the team that we have and how committed I am to making this work, I think this is a risk worth taking."
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    Quote Originally Posted by zontar View Post
    Why does a fan have to take sides at all ?. Why does the media need to be coddled or comforted ?

    And if i did it would be the one with actual working knowledge of the game and not the one with 1/800th of the knowledge.
    Who said the media needs to be coddled or comforted? Austin was a complete jackass to Edwards, who is basically a walking advertisement for the team. Personally, I wouldn't want Austin as a GM or coach. Dude is a complete douche of a human being.

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    It is possible to be civil to the journalists who cover your team and in effect give it gobs of free publicity. The examples of this are legion; fortunately the examples of dickish behaviour (Tortorella, Austin) are relatively few.

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    Quote Originally Posted by paulwoods13 View Post
    It is possible to be civil to the journalists who cover your team and in effect give it gobs of free publicity. The examples of this are legion; fortunately the examples of dickish behaviour (Tortorella, Austin) are relatively few.
    He is. Austin haters want to cherry-pick the times he's not "civil" so their bias against him can be confirmed and not have to suffer the discomfort of being shown to be wrong.

    Love him. Hate him. Fans can do what they like. I couldnt care less.
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    He has been far from civil on multiple occasions. It reflects on him, not the journalists he treats like dirt from time to time. It's possible to be civil *always*, not just when it suits you. Countless coaches and managers in sports are proof of that. No doubt Milanovich would happily never spend another minute of his life with Zicarelli but he still treats him courteously. If Austin is incapable of that, it's a reflection of poor character.

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    ... and then there is Milanovich ... NO personality.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Double Dare View Post
    ... and then there is Milanovich ... NO personality.
    Same as comments above...I don't care if Milanovich has personality for the media or fans - as long as his teams win.

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    Maybe the Cats just hired their next HC, waiting for the time Kenny gets a little too big for his britches when the win/loss record falters. That might not be how Tillman sees it but that might be in the back of Bob Young's mind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OV Argo View Post
    Hard to argue with 2 straight GC appearances and almost a 3rd (Gascon-Nadon hangs onto to that Blank gift pick offering
    I've never liked how Nadon played the visible goat for this when two DBs allowed a ridiculous TD to happen and they escape all blame.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rdavies View Post
    I've never liked how Nadon played the visible goat for this when two DBs allowed a ridiculous TD to happen and they escape all blame.
    One of the DBs, Ed Gainey, is no longer on the club. Not a coincidence.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Double Dare View Post
    ... and then there is Milanovich ... NO personality.
    Thankfully Milanovich has a completely different style than the guy in Hamilton, given the Argonaut ownership situation in the last few seasons his steady (some say boring) personality has served this organization well!
    I'm glad we have him!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Double Dare View Post
    ... and then there is Milanovich ... NO personality.
    Clearly you haven't seen him in training camp.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rdavies View Post
    Maybe the Cats just hired their next HC, waiting for the time Kenny gets a little too big for his britches when the win/loss record falters. That might not be how Tillman sees it but that might be in the back of Bob Young's mind.

    Can't see Bob-O pulling that kind of move - the Pussycats would have to go 0 & 18 before Tillspin & Kenty get canned there; and given they have had good success the past few years, it might take more than one 0 & 18 season.

    Could see Ptaszek possibly replacing O'Shea down the road if Mike cannot put together a winning season for the Bummers; that's IF Miller & Walters survive too - they might hire a former CIS HC to be their HC ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by zontar View Post
    He is. Austin haters want to cherry-pick the times he's not "civil" so their bias against him can be confirmed and not have to suffer the discomfort of being shown to be wrong.

    Love him. Hate him. Fans can do what they like. I couldnt care less.
    Oh, please show us how we're wrong. There's no cherry-picking, rarely do you ever see coaches be as big a prick to anyone in the media as Austin is at least a few times a year. Maybe he can go back to "accidentally" bumping Dave Stala on the sideline again like a middle school bully.

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