2016 1st overall pick St. John holding out

[R.J]

Hmmm....... I wonder who his agent could be ?
http://leaderpost.com/sports/footbal...-training-camp


Found this bit interesting as well

According to Herb Zurkowsky of the Montreal Gazette, Mateas and Chungh were both signed to base salaries of approximately $80,000, with playing bonuses of $20,000.

That's a lot of money for a rookie IMO. Tricky situation as well, but maybe it's time the league implements a rookie cap.

[ArgoRavi]

I think that it is weird that the player wants to sign a 2 + an option contract while the Riders are only offering 1 + an option.

[ArgoRavi]

The problem St. John faces is that there is little to no NFL interest in him so he really doesn't have another football option. The Riders seem to have all of the leverage here.

[R.J]

The problem St. John faces is that there is little to no NFL interest in him so he really doesn't have another football option. The Riders seem to have all of the leverage here.

I agree, but if the numbers that are being reported are true - IMO St. John wants too much and the Riders are offering too little. Personally I think 1st round picks should make more than the league minimum and have some playing bonuses, but again it's speculation at this point, so I have no idea if the numbers are true or not.

[Argocister]

When looking at Jones on one side and
Hardaway on the other ..... This impasse may last awhile and perhaps , as mentioned, have the CFL set the earnings of the top 5 or so draft picks.

[1argoholic]

We live in a very distorted sports world when it comes to salaries except when talking about the CFL. This guy is just greedy. He has to look at what top veteran stars are making.

[R.J]

"We'd love to have St. John here but his representation has made it very tough on us." - Chris Jones #CFL #Riders via @sskroughriders

— CFL News (@CFL_News) June 2, 2016

I hope future prospects stay away from Hardaway; it will eventually get to the point where no GM will deal with him.

[ArgoGabe22]

He's now asked for a trade. Hometown discount?

Anyone else a bit shocked the Riders offered only 52 and $53k? 1st pick in the draft practically getting league minimum.

[R.J]

He's now asked for a trade. Hometown discount?

Anyone has a bit shocked the Risers offered only 52 and $53k? 1st pick in the draft practically getting league minimum.

This situation is getting a bit ridiculous. IIRC the $52 and $53k offers were the Riders trying to readjust the market after 3 draftees last season received big deals (rumoured to around $80k base and $20k incentives).

http://leaderpost.com/sports/footbal...n-negotiations
http://3downnation.com/2016/06/02/ol...-trade-riders/

[R.J]

http://3downnation.com/2016/06/03/to...osiah-st-john/

A good read.

[Argo57]

This situation is getting a bit ridiculous. IIRC the $52 and $53k offers were the Riders trying to readjust the market after 3 draftees last season received big deals (rumoured to around $80k base and $20k incentives).

http://leaderpost.com/sports/footbal...n-negotiations
http://3downnation.com/2016/06/02/ol...-trade-riders/

2 knobs (Jones and Hardaway) seeing who will blink first.
Glad we have Barker and our management team.

[jerrym]

2 knobs (Jones and Hardaway) seeing who will blink first.
Glad we have Barker and our management team.

Amen.

[zontar]

Jamie Nye covering for Riders brass with "market correction" spin.

[OV Argo]

Jamie Nye covering for Riders brass with "market correction" spin.

Football super-hero ego-Jones can do no wrong !

IF reports are true - trying to low-ball the 1st overall pick with a league minimum type offer = they deserve to be dealing with Hardaway and be told to p!$$-off.

St-John would be just a back-up/project there anyways - ego-Jones has OT pencilled-in for imports only in his 7 NIs only need apply thinking; St-John might get to play at guard eventually there to replace vets like LaBatte & Best = so he should hang around at league minimum wage waiting for a chance ?

[Argo57]

Football super-hero ego-Jones can do no wrong !

IF reports are true - trying to low-ball the 1st overall pick with a league minimum type offer = they deserve to be dealing with Hardaway and be told to p!$$-off.

St-John would be just a back-up/project there anyways - ego-Jones has OT pencilled-in for imports only in his 7 NIs only need apply thinking; St-John might get to play at guard eventually there to replace vets like LaBatte & Best = so he should hang around at league minimum wage waiting for a chance ?

I hope Jones continues his hard ass ways, makes other teams more attractive than the Riders.
If I was the player and last years picks got $30-$40k more then I would tell Jones to f**k off as well.
Like I said in a previous post I like our management team and their philosophy which will make Toronto a more desirable destination for many players in the future!

[OV Argo]

I hope Jones continues his hard ass ways, makes other teams more attractive than the Riders.
If I was the player and last years picks got $30-$40k more then I would tell Jones to f**k off as well.
Like I said in a previous post I like our management team and their philosophy which will make Toronto a more desirable destination for many players in the future!

I get a kick out of the Jones can do no wrong defenders; cuts outstanding player/ career Rider greats like Dressler & Chick saying it was all just about money (when wether actual reasonable pay-cut negotiations there ever took place is quite questionable); then goes out and signs over-rated Mo Price to decent bucks (stiffed there on the bonus looks good on them), and also signs lots of CFL free agents, including some other team's rejects (like Norwood, Denmark) to what would hardly be league minimum.

I guess the Jones defenders have no problem with low-balling the 1st overall draft pick - just a matter of "market correction" and shrewd management ? - LOL; and the notion by some that Jones has sooooo upgraded the Riders' Canadian content is very questionable too IMO = he's the exact same as Chamblin in thinking there = I only need to play 7 of those NI types - and it maybe shows in the way he's dealing with St John = views him as a back-up, "depth" player for the bench and those types do not make decent CFL pay-cheques.

[R.J]

Jamie Nye covering for Riders brass with "market correction" spin.

The Riders aren't to only team that tried to correct the market. St. John is the only one holding out though. TBH I'm kind of glad the Riders are taking this stance - if the $400k 3 year rumour is true; St. John is asking for way too much.

[Argo57]

The Riders aren't to only team that tried to correct the market. St. John is the only one holding out though. TBH I'm kind of glad the Riders are taking this stance - if the $400k 3 year rumour is true; St. John is asking for way too much.

Agreed regarding his alleged contract demand, if he gets what last years top picks received that would be reasonable.
Either way I like seeing Jones struggle a little.

[jerrym]

Agreed regarding his alleged contract demand, if he gets what last years top picks received that would be reasonable.
Either way I like seeing Jones struggle a little.

While from the Riders 52,000-53,000 is too low, his demand is too high. There should be a significant differential above the league minimum for a #1 overall draft choice, but nowhere near what they're demanding.

[KCargosfan]

Jamie Nye covering for Riders brass with "market correction" spin.

I hope Jones continues his hard ass ways, makes other teams more attractive than the Riders.
If I was the player and last years picks got $30-$40k more then I would tell Jones to f**k off as well.
Like I said in a previous post I like our management team and their philosophy which will make Toronto a more desirable destination for many players in the future!

Agreed. There's no way St. John should sign for the league minimum when previous No. 1s got $80K.

The Riders print money. I find it absurd they are the ones trying to "correct" the market.