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    Quote Originally Posted by Shatto View Post
    T-Bone is correct that we should never hold a group responsible for the actions of one of their members when the group has not sanctioned that action. Ron is also correct that silence is consent. As Burke is reputed to have said in 1770, "the only thing necessary for triumph of evil is that good men do nothing" When homophobic or hate statements are expressed, it behoves us, individually, to take a stand and strongly condemn those statements and the person making them.
    Very well put. Thank you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AngeloV View Post
    The guy should be in jail for making such a public comment, and that's all I'll say about this.
    I think what he said is out there and pretty ridiculous. He probably has some form of antagonistic personality disorder. However, no law was broken. He didn't utter a threat. Let's keep our freedom of speech in tact.

    Quote Originally Posted by exhibitionargonaut View Post
    Strange that tfc socer fans act like this. that guy was so out of line. Somebody showed me a retreet of someone from the soccer fan club and some guy going at it. the soccer fan got owned by this guy backing up statistics how soccer is viewed among canadians and americans. I think his uncle like works for global or owns it is what i heard. it was pretty funny how all these soccer clowns acted with this guy and he just kept owning them over and over.
    I remember seeing an argument between this guy and a soccer guy about which sport is getting more popular across the country. The other guy just kept getting owned by this soccer guy. It was funny how this guy acted after he kept getting owned and owned by this soccer guy.
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    When some white trash guy kills his family I don't feel the need to apologize to the world. Time has come for family and friends to step up and tell people like this TFC Tool to stop acting all the jackass that he is. I'd hope that his Tweet has police eyes on it.
    Now the wife of the Orlando shooter should be in jail. She knew what he was planning. Sorry but I'd turn anyone in even my own mother if she was planning some crazed misguided venture.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1argoholic View Post
    When some white trash guy kills his family I don't feel the need to apologize to the world..
    Apology was a straw man argument. No one expects an apology but a condemnation usually follows. If some white trash guy kills his family ... you call him the POS he is and condemn the prick for doing the deed. If some lowlife Argo fan did the same as this guy we'd see condemnation of the tool on a site like this.

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    https://www.thestar.com/sports/2016/...eing-blue.html

    LMAO. These people really need to get over it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SnowRogue View Post
    https://www.thestar.com/sports/2016/...eing-blue.html

    LMAO. These people really need to get over it.
    Yes, but we know that that will never happen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SnowRogue View Post
    https://www.thestar.com/sports/2016/...eing-blue.html

    LMAO. These people really need to get over it.
    The below quote is F'n hilarious. I guess he's either a liar, or he ignores or doesn't read the anti Argos posts on this groups own forum.

    “I know that there’s a lot of online banter between the two fan bases,” said Phil Tobin, president of the Red Patch Boys. “I don’t get the feeling from our group, in particular, that there’s much anger toward the actual Argo fan base.”
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    Quote Originally Posted by AngeloV View Post
    The below quote is F'n hilarious. I guess he's either a liar, or he ignores or doesn't read the anti Argos posts on this groups own forum.
    He should go into politics.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SnowRogue View Post
    https://www.thestar.com/sports/2016/...eing-blue.html

    LMAO. These people really need to get over it.
    I don't know how tight a deadline the writer was on, but after Blue Patch declined he could've approached Lori or I. I'm sure we would've agreed to an interview.
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    Even Kurtis Larson doesn't understand the logic here:


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    Quote Originally Posted by argofan87 View Post
    Even Kurtis Larson doesn't understand the logic here:


    Last time I checked the Argos and TFC don't play at BMO at the same time, so this we feel our "space is being invaded" crap is just stupidity.
    Studies have proven that a 160lb soccer player flopping and flailing on the ground after a phantom "tackle" damages more square feet of turf than football players hitting each other.
    Secondary turf damage is little known phenomenon caused by the medical team scurrying onto the field several times a game with their little portable stretcher to attend to the player rolling around the grass who magically gets up and runs away as they arrive to complain to the referee.✌️
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    Larson sure seems to be changing his tune. Is he about to jump ship (pardon the expression) to the good ship Argonaut and the momentum they are building?

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    Tony Stones, Head Groundsman, Wembley Stadium

    "We find most damage is caused by football (soccer) players digging in, turning quick, whereas an NFL game it's all solid, it's crunching together, Desso likes that, holds together well, it's when they're doing quick turns, your Rugby Union you get a bit of quick turning in that as well and a bit of scrummaging so you get a bit of mess from that but I'd say most damage comes from football (soccer)

    It's warmups, football (soccer) warmups that are the worst thing, that's where we get the most damage from, especially the goalkeepers that will not use his portable goal, they insist on using his main goal that creates us some serious trouble"

    So if interpreted correctly, the order of most to least damaging sport to a reinforced turf is:

    1 Soccer
    2 Rugby
    3 Football


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    Quote Originally Posted by Argoknot View Post
    Tony Stones, Head Groundsman, Wembley Stadium
    Interesting video. Did you find that by going to the Red Patch forum for the link?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ron View Post
    Interesting video. Did you find that by going to the Red Patch forum for the link?
    Are you kidding? A post like that would have been deleted and the poster banned. They can't deal with the truth or expert opinion, only the lies they make up to keep the Argos outta the treehouse. And they're still carrying on and will until the inevitable week of rain, above average usage and subsequent damage occur.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rdavies View Post
    So if interpreted correctly, the order of most to least damaging sport to a reinforced turf is:

    1 Soccer
    2 Rugby
    3 Football
    Which sport does more or less damage to the field is irrelevant to the debate. Adding 10-12 games of football to a natural surface that is already being used for soccer is going to increase potential damage to that surface.

    What's done to compensate for that added potential damage is what matters and I feel the groundskeepers at BMO Field have done well so far.

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    Quote Originally Posted by T-Bone View Post
    Which sport does more or less damage to the field is irrelevant to the debate. Adding 10-12 games of football to a natural surface that is already being used for soccer is going to increase potential damage to that surface.

    What's done to compensate for that added potential damage is what matters and I feel the groundskeepers at BMO Field have done well so far.
    How is it irrelevant ?
    Soccer does more damage to the turf than football does, but from my understanding as long as soccer (TFC, International, etc) is played at BMO it's okay, but anything else is no good ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by T-Bone View Post
    Which sport does more or less damage to the field is irrelevant to the debate. Adding 10-12 games of football to a natural surface that is already being used for soccer is going to increase potential damage to that surface.

    What's done to compensate for that added potential damage is what matters and I feel the groundskeepers at BMO Field have done well so far.
    Quote Originally Posted by SnowRogue View Post
    How is it irrelevant ?
    Soccer does more damage to the turf than football does, but from my understanding as long as soccer (TFC, International, etc) is played at BMO it's okay, but anything else is no good ?
    Technically ... adding 10-12 football games does add damage to the turf when looking at the whole. But when BMO books extra rugby games and extra friendlies and other soccer games ... that incurs more damage than these extra football games.

    And as Snow says ... you never see any complaints about the pitch when extra soccer games are added. So the intent of the pitch argument isn't about the pitch conditions at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by T-Bone View Post
    Which sport does more or less damage to the field is irrelevant to the debate.
    Damn right it is relevant to the debate. When the TFC fans whine and moan that the Argos are going to come in and ruin their field and the guy in charge of the most famous turf in the world is saying that soccer itself is harder on the field, then the TFC people are total BSers. And then comes their usual BS that this guy is lying to save his job and that the TFC fans know more than he does, For Gawd's sakes when will it end with these people?

    You just want to go all Howard Beale on them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Argoknot View Post
    Damn right it is relevant to the debate. When the TFC fans whine and moan that the Argos are going to come in and ruin their field and the guy in charge of the most famous turf in the world is saying that soccer itself is harder on the field, then the TFC people are total BSers. And then comes their usual BS that this guy is lying to save his job and that the TFC fans know more than he does, For Gawd's sakes when will it end with these people?

    You just want to go all Howard Beale on them.
    It all comes down to what we have been saying for a long time. This has nothing to do with the field surface, but everything to do with a small minority of idiots that want to feel entitled. I'm sure a good chunk of TFC fans really don't care.
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