Week 1: Hamilton TigerCats @ Toronto Argonauts, June 23, 2016 @ BMO FIELD Game Thread

[marcwagz]

42-20 is such a blowout... how do they get 42 points... sieve defense.

[KCargosfan]

I think Stubler isn't getting the same response, because it's Stubler, one of the best defensive minds in the CFL and his record speaks for itself. Stubler is much better than Creehan and it's only week 2 (now) for him and his players - new system and some rookies. The problem with Milanovich is that it's always the same old with him - slow starts and checkdown heavy offense. Milanovich has been here since 2012; he's not new to the team or the majority of the players. His system has been the same essentially since the beginning and hasn't won a playoff game since the Grey Cup in 2012. It is only week 2 though, so patience is probably needed, but tbh I've lost all patience with Milanovich and his checkdown heavy offense.

As for who we could have had besides Milanovich - Benevides was available all of last season, and he could have brought in Chapdelaine to run the offense this season. Bene as HC, Chaps a OC, Stubs as DC and McDiarmid as ST coordinator would have been my selections.

Didn't Benevides just give up 45 points and nearly 600 yards of offense to Ottawa?
I wasn't impressed with him in BC, but that is kind of an unfair assessment because he was Wally's puppet.

[KCargosfan]

Harris is on pace to throw 139 TD passes this season. Gonna be awesome!

haha. And don't forget he's on pace to throw for nearly 9,000 yards!!!

[Argo57]

Having 4 different defensive coordinators in 4 years hasn't helped in that department. Jones decided to rebuild after the 2012 Grey Cup, then left after 2013. Enter Burke who was only here for a year and liked smaller guys (opposite of Jones). Burke gets dumped and we're left with Creehan because he knew Burke's defence - we all know how that worked. Now we have Stubler; who likes vets. If Stubler can stick around for at least 3 years we should be fine, but there will always be some turnover - 25% was the norm IIRC.

Some turnover is indeed healthy for a team.

[Argo57]

No one had heard of Collaros and Harris before a few years back so I have faith that Kilgore and Fajardo will be ok if something happens to Ray. Toronto is the new CFL qb factory. haha. Never thought I'd ever say that.

Unfortunately the QB factory for the other franchises.

[paulwoods13]

Harris was no worse than any other Argo in those road "home" games. The team had absolutely no compete in those games, and I can't blame them one bit. Singling out Harris' bad performance in those games is unreasonable. Joe Montana could have played QB in those games and he would have sucked too.

But Harris actually was mediocre in six of his last seven starts. The one exception was the second game in Ottawa where he completed the late TD pass (one of five he threw) to Owens. Otherwise his stat lines were mediocre: 200/0/1, 211/1/1, 257/2/2, 182/2/1, 260/1/3, 102/0/1. Six TD passes , eight INTs in those six games, no 300-yard games and two games below 200 yards. His "slump" began in August, long before our road-game odyssey began.

[PullTogether73]

42-20 is such a blowout... how do they get 42 points... sieve defense.

Quite the delayed reaction!
Did you just realize what was the score from last Thursday?

[AngeloV]

But Harris actually was mediocre in six of his last seven starts. The one exception was the second game in Ottawa where he completed the late TD pass (one of five he threw) to Owens. Otherwise his stat lines were mediocre: 200/0/1, 211/1/1, 257/2/2, 182/2/1, 260/1/3, 102/0/1. Six TD passes , eight INTs in those six games, no 300-yard games and two games below 200 yards. His "slump" began in August, long before our road-game odyssey began.

Absolutely correct Paul. It may be the team around him lost confidence in him. He also ended up leading the league in interceptions thrown, which is never mentioned unlike the fact that he led the league in TD passes. IMO, turnovers are the biggest influence in who wins and loses games.

[Argo]

Harris was no worse than any other Argo in those road "home" games. The team had absolutely no compete in those games, and I can't blame them one bit. Singling out Harris' bad performance in those games is unreasonable. Joe Montana could have played QB in those games and he would have sucked too.

The context here is relevant and nested: (a long season of very trying circumstances (Milano-ball (the team (Harris))))