Barker and Milanovich need to be fired!!!!!!!!!!

[argotom]

Any domino effect with Jyles not working out was unintentional.
Tillman had 0 to do with Reilly signing in Edmonton.

Maybe so but it all worked out in the wash.

[argotom]

Tillman was promoted earlier this year and Austin stepped down as GM, probably to avoid the scenario of Toronto or Saskatchewan reaching out to him.

It does not hurt to ask the Cats for permission at year end or sooner to speak with Tillman and by upping to include VP of football operations, that is an increase in current status so eligible to get out of his contract.

[R.J]

It does not hurt to ask the Cats for permission at year end or sooner to speak with Tillman and by upping to include VP of football operations, that is an increase in current status so eligible to get out of his contract.

If a move were to be made: I'd go for Brock Sunderland instead of Tillman. He's currently an Assistant GM with the Ottawa Redblacks.

[Double Dare]

A couple of bad losses and this forum becomes dominated by posts reading "This message is hidden because FILL IN THE BLANK is on your ignore list." So sadly predictable.

What did you say ...

[R.J]

A couple of bad losses and this forum becomes dominated by posts reading "This message is hidden because FILL IN THE BLANK is on your ignore list." So sadly predictable.

You must have a lot of people on your ignore list then.

[KCargosfan]

It's blatantly obvious Barker and Milanovich screwed up by not having a competent back-up on the roster for this season.

Whether they can make a desperation move and remedy the situation, or pray that Ray returns and doesn't get injured the rest of the season, remains to be seen.

If Ray isn't ready next game, you have to go with McPherson. Kilgore is clearly not ready and I'm not sure Lefevour knows the offense well enough yet.

[argotom]

It's blatantly obvious Barker and Milanovich screwed up by not having a competent back-up on the roster for this season.

Whether they can make a desperation move and remedy the situation, or pray that Ray returns and doesn't get injured the rest of the season, remains to be seen.

If Ray isn't ready next game, you have to go with McPherson. Kilgore is clearly not ready and I'm not sure Lefevour knows the offense well enough yet.

That's putting it mildly, it's not the back up they screwed up on what about the last two years?
Ray is almost done.

[KCargosfan]

That's putting it mildly, it's not the back up they screwed up on what about the last two years?
Ray is almost done.

What about them?

Harris decided to go to Ottawa. And he hasn't shown me that he's anything special. The majority of his yards have been YAC.

A decision to choose unproven Zach over Ray, who at the time was what? 33? and still had plenty of gas left in the tank would have been illogical at best.

I thankful argotom isn't in charge of the franchise. After one bad game everyone would be fired or cut and no one in their right mind would want to come to play for the Argos.

[argotom]

What about them?

Harris decided to go to Ottawa. And he hasn't shown me that he's anything special. The majority of his yards have been YAC.

A decision to choose unproven Zach over Ray, who at the time was what? 33? and still had plenty of gas left in the tank would have been illogical at best.

I thankful argotom isn't in charge of the franchise. After one bad game everyone would be fired or cut and no one in their right mind would want to come to play for the Argos.

No KC, Milanovich and Barker both have to be fired.
I was able to see how Zach was a special type QB.
That comes along only every few years.
Like I said previously, he reminds me even on a smaller scale of Doug Flutie.
Now if that huge mistake was not bad enough, it's done again last year.

[Argo]

Nothing. But with so many comedians out of work, It appears to me as thought this forum has become something of an audition for these guys. Hope they all have real jobs to fall back on.

Is this gratuitous insult pointed in my direction? If so, not the sort of behaviour I'd expect from you.

[Argo57]

It's blatantly obvious Barker and Milanovich screwed up by not having a competent back-up on the roster for this season.

Whether they can make a desperation move and remedy the situation, or pray that Ray returns and doesn't get injured the rest of the season, remains to be seen.

If Ray isn't ready next game, you have to go with McPherson. Kilgore is clearly not ready and I'm not sure Lefevour knows the offense well enough yet.

No sense in panicking now KC, have to get by with what they have until seasons end and address the situation as a whole in the off season of all goes bad.
If this season flames out ownership will have to clean house, I'm hoping they can hold it together and get going but have my doubts.

[1argoholic]

Holy shit, It's a football forum!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WE ARE NOT TALKING ABOUT CANCER. Sometimes you just have to post silly assed shit! I try but it all turns to shit.

This season is the same as every Milanovich/Barker season. .500 teams with ups and downs, qb issues, penalty issues, horrible games followed by a good game or two. We'll either come out the other end with a 9-9 record in the playoffs and surprise or go down in flames.

[Fumblitis]

Holy shit, It's a football forum!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WE ARE NOT TALKING ABOUT CANCER. Sometimes you just have to post silly assed shit! I try but it all turns to shit.

This season is the same as every Milanovich/Barker season. .500 teams with ups and downs, qb issues, penalty issues, horrible games followed by a good game or two. We'll either come out the other end with a 9-9 record in the playoffs and surprise or go down in flames.

And by your assessment of the situation I'd have to agree that the Argos are spinning their wheels. They say that if you're not progressing, you're regressing. It may be time for Milo to step down at the end of the season if the Argos miss or get knocked out of the playoffs early. How many players have tuned Milo out? We don't know for sure but a .500 team is usually suspect of a coach that is being tuned out.

[AngeloV]

No sense in panicking now KC, have to get by with what they have until seasons end and address the situation as a whole in the off season of all goes bad.
If this season flames out ownership will have to clean house, I'm hoping they can hold it together and get going but have my doubts.

The most sensible of all posts I have read the last couple of weeks.

[Neely2005]

And by your assessment of the situation I'd have to agree that the Argos are spinning their wheels. They say that if you're not progressing, you're regressing. It may be time for Milo to step down at the end of the season if the Argos miss or get knocked out of the playoffs early. How many players have tuned Milo out? We don't know for sure but a .500 team is usually suspect of a coach that is being tuned out.

So by that logic is Saskatchewan regressing?

[KCargosfan]

No KC, Milanovich and Barker both have to be fired.
I was able to see how Zach was a special type QB.
That comes along only every few years.
Like I said previously, he reminds me even on a smaller scale of Doug Flutie.
Now if that huge mistake was not bad enough, it's done again last year.

Jury is still out on Harris. Let's see him win a playoff game before we start proclaiming the fact we didn't offer him $350K and a starting position was a mistake.

[KCargosfan]

No sense in panicking now KC, have to get by with what they have until seasons end and address the situation as a whole in the off season of all goes bad.
If this season flames out ownership will have to clean house, I'm hoping they can hold it together and get going but have my doubts.

Is making another QB move – especially if Ray gets hurt again – a panic move, though?

I mean if Barker thinks he's going to get fired if we miss the playoffs, why would he not make any move and stick with what we have if it is not keeping the team competitive?

[1971GreyCup]

The RedBlacks decision to start Harris this week is another example of the tone of the new franchise. Watching the RedBlacks vs. the Argos for 3 years now, I can't help but admire the teams willingness to take chances. For me the current Argos lack excitement. The don't take chances, and their willingness to go down with a conservative approach doesn't generate fan support. Ottawa has generated a rabid fan base quickly in a city where most assumed the CFL was dead. Bodes well for the future of the Argos when the franchise get it right!

By the way, Trevor Harris sure looks smart in his decision right now. Milanovich and Barker were always keeping his team for Ricky Ray and most certainly sink or swim with that decision. Trevor would have played a lot this year for the Argos but knowing Ricky was always coming back. Ottawa is now his team to lose.

[1argoholic]

1971GreyCup you mailed it with line about not taking chances and being overly conservative. I've been saying that about Milanovich basically since day one. I don't dislike him as much as many on here but it seems to be in his makeup as a coach to be conservative. There's times when he should toss the challenge flag and he just holds it tight. They never run any innovative plays, it's just the same boring offensive systems. He sticks to certain players and rides them win or lose. He had to start Kilgore after his comments the previous game about how he didn't care if he tossed 8 picks but he should just keep throwing. So start the guy but after a series or two yank him and give anyone else a go. Speaking of spinning wheels this team will continue to be in the mix as a .500 team but doing nothing too exciting.

[paulwoods13]

You must have a lot of people on your ignore list then.

Quality, not quantity.