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    Quote Originally Posted by argotom View Post
    Of course not, I am referring to the Collaros and Harris years isn't that evident.
    Ray should not be on this team and this is now evident to pretty much everyone.
    The same vast majority of people including Angelo who were vile and downright a..holes in their response to me in fact going way overboard.
    I will never forget that as there is a civil way to discuss matters.
    Their ilk does not subscribe to civility.
    Let it go. Move on. They're gone (as free agents after turning down contract offers from the Argonauts) and they aren't coming back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Neely2005 View Post
    Let it go. Move on. They're gone (as free agents after turning down contract offers from the Argonauts) and they aren't coming back.
    I don't recall Collaros getting a contract offer.

    As for Harris, I know Barker said he supposedly offered Harris more, but sorry I don't buy it. If Harris would've been given the reported $400k (2nd year) deal he received in Ottawa and named the starter, I'm pretty sure he would've stayed. If you'll recall during contract negotiations Harris and his agent wanted him to earn starters money (essentially naming him the starter), seeing as that didn't happen: that's most likely why he left. Please don't make it seem like the Argonauts did everything they could to keep them and Harris/Collaros left anyways - they left to be "the guy".

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    Quote Originally Posted by SnowRogue View Post
    I don't recall Collaros getting a contract offer.

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    I'm sure he was. He was released just prior to the FA period, and that only happens when both sides realize a deal can't be made. If the only way Collaros was going to sign would have been to cut Ray, then that was not going to happen. He was only 33 and coming off 2 very good seasons.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Neely2005 View Post
    Let it go. Move on. They're gone (as free agents after turning down contract offers from the Argonauts) and they aren't coming back.
    You had me until the brackets.
    Neither was given first string money with the promise they would compete for the starting job.
    It was always Ricky's team.
    Had Ray been traded or released like Burris, no question first Collaros then Harris in the absence of the latter would still be here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by argotom View Post
    Neither was given first string money with the promise they would compete for the starting job.
    Harris was told there'd be an "open competition" between he and Ray. I don't believe it would have been a truly open competition, and something tells me Harris didn't either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SnowRogue View Post
    Harris was told there'd be an "open competition" between he and Ray. I don't believe it would have been a truly open competition, and something tells me Harris didn't either.
    Agreed.
    The die was cast when Milanovich went with the injured Ray in the playoff game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by argotom View Post
    Agreed.
    The die was cast when Milanovich went with the injured Ray in the playoff game.
    Did you not see how Harris played in 4 starts at Tim Horton's field? Ray was better in the playoff game than Harris was in any of those 4 games despite not even being nearly 100%. Go and watch all of them on Youtube and then tell me I'm wrong. Ray has also been very good this year. Doesn't turn the ball over, and gives the team a chance to win every game.

    Let's just wait for the end of the season before we continue anointing Harris a some sort of future hall of famer. Those WR screens can't work forever.
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