Barker and Milanovich need to be fired!!!!!!!!!!

[argotom]

After the first game fiasco and now yesterday's defeat, there is no question most people here and on the other CFL site are of the same mind as yours truly when I was one of very few that came out and questioned the decision of letting Zach go and now Harris.
It is more than clear how these two crucial decisions have/will put the franchise back years in the most crucial position.
So when it's evident there is unbelievable work to be done to bring back the fans, we cannot afford to have a lackluster offensive product on the field.
Even though both Barker and Milanovich signed contract extensions with the new ownership, someone has to be responsible for the curious support of an aging QB whose best before date has passed.

[marcwagz]

when Collaros comes back we should try to get Masoli. Kid is a starter.

[argotom]

when Collaros comes back we should try to get Masoli. Kid is a starter.

He is not coming back as having signed a rich contract extension.

[AngeloV]

After the first game fiasco and now yesterday's defeat, there is no question most people here and on the other CFL site are of the same mind as yours truly when I was one of very few that came out and questioned the decision of letting Zach go and now Harris.
It is more than clear how these two crucial decisions have/will put the franchise back years in the most crucial position.
So when it's evident there is unbelievable work to be done to bring back the fans, we cannot afford to have a lackluster offensive product on the field.
Even though both Barker and Milanovich signed contract extensions with the new ownership, someone has to be responsible for the curious support of an aging QB whose best before date has passed.

Ahhhh..Nothing like a 2-2 start to bring to us the end of the world as we know it.

when Collaros comes back we should try to get Masoli. Kid is a starter.

I think he committed more turnovers last week than Ray does in a year.

He is not coming back as having signed a rich contract extension.

I think he meant the Argos should go for Masoli when Collaros returns from injury.

[ArgoGabe22]

Barker stole Ray, Barker stole Foley, Barker stole Lemon (Shawn that is), found the Big 3 plus other potential gems like Spencer and Shaw. Barker also brought in Collaros and Harris into the league. Barker's job is safe. Quite the improvement from where we were when Barker inherited the team.

Same thing with Milanovich. He's not perfect but is the best coach available. Having a consistent coaching staff is crucial. Firing him now is going in the wrong direction.

For anyone to lose their job just because they stuck with Ray is ludicrous.

[argotom]

Barker stole Ray, Barker stole Foley, Barker stole Lemon (Shawn that is), found the Big 3 plus other potential gems like Spencer and Shaw. Barker also brought in Collaros and Harris into the league. Barker's job is safe. Quite the improvement from where we were when Barker inherited the team.

Same thing with Milanovich. He's not perfect but is the best coach available. Having a consistent coaching staff is crucial. Firing him now is going in the wrong direction.

For anyone to lose their job just because they stuck with Ray is ludicrous.

Yes Barker and the scouting staff have brought in the two blue chip QB's, however to suggest that it is ludicrous at the eventual decisions you obviously miss the point.
Personnel decisions is how management is graded.
Further, in evaluating the HC on not only the wins and losses it also should factor the personnel moves such as starting an injured QB in the playoffs, therefore questioning his ability to lead the team and putting the players in the best position to win.

[ArgoGabe22]

Yes Barker and the scouting staff have brought in the two blue chip QB's, however to suggest that it is ludicrous at the eventual decisions you obviously miss the point.
Personnel decisions is how management is graded.
Further, in evaluating the HC on not only the wins and losses it also should factor the personnel moves such as starting an injured QB in the playoffs, therefore questioning his ability to lead the team and putting the players in the best position to win.

If Barker brought in 3 great QBs to Toronto, who says he can't do it again?

Coaches trust their gut sometimes and take chances. Sometimes it works out, sometimes it doesn't. Getting fired for making one wrong decision (was it even wrong?) isn't enough to justify it. Firing Barker and/or Milanovich will set the franchise back even more than it did with the decision to stick with Ray. I'm sure the Argos are prepared for life after Ray, whether it's clear to us or not.

[Fumblitis]

Barker stole Ray, Barker stole Foley, Barker stole Lemon (Shawn that is), found the Big 3 plus other potential gems like Spencer and Shaw. Barker also brought in Collaros and Harris into the league. Barker's job is safe. Quite the improvement from where we were when Barker inherited the team.

Same thing with Milanovich. He's not perfect but is the best coach available. Having a consistent coaching staff is crucial. Firing him now is going in the wrong direction.

For anyone to lose their job just because they stuck with Ray is ludicrous.

Barker stole Lemon? That was a win win for both sides if you ask me...even with Sewell not reporting.

[ArgoGabe22]

Barker stole Lemon? That was a win win for both sides if you ask me...even with Sewell not reporting.

This was before the Durant injury but I do still think trading someone you value as 4th on your depth chart for a player with all-star potential is a steal. Even when excluding Sewell and the potential draft pick.

[R.J]

Yes Barker may have brought in many players over the years some good and others horrid, who could forget the fiasco era known as Cleo Lemon.
It's letting blue chippers like this post to walk and now trading Gale although that one is too early to tell, that's my issue.

How much of that is because of Milanovich though ?
Most won't believe me, but this has nothing to do with my bias against Milanovich; I'm just pointing out that Milanovich has made it extremely clear that Ray is his guy.

This was before the Durant injury but I do still think trading someone you value as 4th on your depth chart for a player with all-star potential is a steal. Even when excluding Sewell and the potential draft pick.

Keep in mind that Lemon wanted out of Saskatchewan, so the Riders could have either kept a disgruntled player or traded him for a backup QB they sorely needed. Even if the Durant didn't get injured the Riders still didn't a backup, and while Gale was only our 4th QB - Sask got what they needed and the Argos got what they wanted.

[argotom]

How much of that is because of Milanovich though ?
Most won't believe me, but this has nothing to do with my bias against Milanovich; I'm just pointing out that Milanovich has made it extremely clear that Ray is his guy.

Keep in mind that Lemon wanted out of Saskatchewan, so the Riders could have either kept a disgruntled player or traded him for a backup QB they sorely needed. Even if the Durant didn't get injured the Riders still didn't a backup, and while Gale was only our 4th QB - Sask got what they needed and the Argos got what they wanted.

You may be right, for all we know it could be all Milanovich's fault or maybe the combination of the two?
If it is both, then we have a bigger issue of both under evaluating Ray's declining years versus the upside for Collaros, Harris and now possibly Gale.

[Argo57]

Barker stole Lemon? That was a win win for both sides if you ask me...even with Sewell not reporting.

I agree with you, this deal filled a need for both teams to which the Riders have already benefitted.

[Argo57]

After the first game fiasco and now yesterday's defeat, there is no question most people here and on the other CFL site are of the same mind as yours truly when I was one of very few that came out and questioned the decision of letting Zach go and now Harris.
It is more than clear how these two crucial decisions have/will put the franchise back years in the most crucial position.
So when it's evident there is unbelievable work to be done to bring back the fans, we cannot afford to have a lackluster offensive product on the field.
Even though both Barker and Milanovich signed contract extensions with the new ownership, someone has to be responsible for the curious support of an aging QB whose best before date has passed.

Seeing 2 extremely promising young QB talents leave within a couple of years frustrates the shit out of me but I wouldn't think of firing either the Coach or GM.
Both have managed to keep a competitive product on the field under more that shitty circumstances since the 2012 Grey Cup and should be commended as such.
Another thing to consider, who exactly is available in either role that is superior to Milanovich and Barker.....probably no one.
Firing either at this point would be short sighted and ill advised IMO.
If the Argonauts end up tanking this season then that would be a different but right now they are 2-2 and need time to gel with all of the new players and coaches.

[gilthethrill]

Honestly AT...I don't know where to begin....but the answer to both questions is NO!

[Wobbler]

Weren't we one quarter away from going to 3-1? Come on, AT. Save some hysteria for when we run into real problems.

[ArgoZ]

Wow, shades of the 5th quarter call in show. Fire everyone after a loss! I say we start with AT's ticket rep first, then work our way up from there.

Would Harris and/or Collaros even be in the CFL if it was not for Barker and/or the Argos? Hard to know either way, but statistically, the chances would be slim. I think if you asked each player about the GM that brought them up here, they would have nothing but great things to say about a man that enabled them to continue making a good living at playing football.

[KCargosfan]

Wow, shades of the 5th quarter call in show. Fire everyone after a loss! I say we start with AT's ticket rep first, then work our way up from there.

Would Harris and/or Collaros even be in the CFL if it was not for Barker and/or the Argos? Hard to know either way, but statistically, the chances would be slim. I think if you asked each player about the GM that brought them up here, they would have nothing but great things to say about a man that enabled them to continue making a good living at playing football.

That is pure gold right there. Mods, this has to be nominated for sentence/content/post of the year.

[AngeloV]

Wow, shades of the 5th quarter call in show. Fire everyone after a loss! I say we start with AT's ticket rep first, then work our way up from there.

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LMFAO!! I think I just choked on my sandwich as I was reading that.

[argotom]

Like the post says, do we need to start the discussion?
So far most have said no, which is fine.
Similarly to say no it's ludicrous, for me anyway it's like burying your head in the sand or having blinders on.
Especially with the state of the attendance at the stadium and the likelihood how the game on Monday the 25th against the traditionally poor drawing Als looks like it will bring another poor gathering.
Therefore the team on the field must be exciting on the O side.

[Wobbler]

No, it's ludicrous. Seriously.

Yes, our coaching can be criticized, but how could it possibly make sense to even discuss firing our coach mid-season without a plausible alternative in a year when we're hosting the GC? That discussion is ludicrous.... until the off-season.

As Gabe said, Barker has a pretty terrific track record. Firing him would be... ludicrous.

Sorry for being harsh - it's great that you care so much. As we were reminded yesterday, Argo-related passion is a pretty rare commodity.