Barker and Milanovich need to be fired!!!!!!!!!!

[Will]

Whoa. Would Diane Clemons say this just on her own.

A good question.

Mrs. Clemons follows @argofans and we follow her back, but I don't know how frequently she tweets. I'm not sure if Pinball has his own Twitter account, but I don't think he would post such a thing if it were him.

[Argoknot]

Whoa. Would Diane Clemons say this just on her own.

Kinda classless on her part, if this is real. I'm sure she wouldn't have appreciated Mrs Milanovich weighing in on Pinball's career.

[PullTogether73]

I'm sorry but our beloved @Argonauts_PR need a real #shakeup from the #TOP #DOWN #itsnottheplayers #stoplettinggoodplayersgo

— Diane Clemons (@Di_Clemons) October 15, 2016

@TorontoArgos time for a #REAL #SHAKEUP starting with front office and #coaching staff .... #embarrassing

— Diane Clemons (@Di_Clemons) October 15, 2016

Pretty damning from Mrs. Pinball.

Wow!
I'm shocked she would be that blunt on social media.

[Will]

Wow!
I'm shocked she would be that blunt on social media.

It isn't much different than what people are saying on here. I'd agree she is in a slightly different position than we are however.

[1971GreyCup]

Like the rest of us, Diane Clemon's level of frustration overcame her. She also is in the unique position of helping the new young players and their wives acclimate to Toronto and probably took it very hard when the boom was recently lowered on them. I think she has calmed a bit and reflected and recently tweeted:

My #beloved @TorontoArgos #keepyourheadsup we still #LOVE you and the #ORGANIZATION #weareone #TEAM #TOGETHER #BLEED #DOUBLEBLUE #FOREVER

IMG_1721.jpg

[R.J]

Is the thread title even a question anymore ?
The Drew Willy trade alone should ensure that Barker and Milo are shown the door.

[Will]

Is the thread title even a question anymore ?
The Drew Willy trade alone should ensure that Barker and Milo are shown the door.

No, but I'll leave it up to argotom to change it if he wants.

[1971GreyCup]

Isn't there any concern that the damaged goods called the Argos could be further harmed in the subsequent two weeks?

[ArgoRavi]

Isn't there any concern that the damaged goods called the Argos could be further harmed in the subsequent two weeks?

What more can happen at this point? The trading deadline has passed and any players released would have their contracts guaranteed which means that nobody else will be released. At this point, let's get the final two games over with and move onto 2017.

[Shatto]

Milanovich seems to have no idea how to improve the team. The players would appear to have stopped playing for him. I have always been adverse to firing a coach during the season but desperate times demand desperate measures. A scenario I'd like to see, is Milanovich released immediately and hopefully Pinball persuaded to take the helm as an interim coach for the rest of the season. This would also allow Pinball to get a good handle on which players should be retained for next year--his advice and input would invaluable to next year's coaching staff. Then senior management can take their time going after the best candidate(s) for the coaching/general manager for next year. Will this occur---probably not but we can always hope!

[Ron]

The rebuild for 17 has already begun. (with the trade) You folks are just not accepting what you see right in front of you.

As for the tweets. It's probably hard to see some certain players cut but she doesn't hang out in the locker room. So she only knows their behaviour away from the team. Much like the neighbours of serial killers that say the guy was so nice. ;-)

[herrington2828]

Fire Scott. No other choice. Guys stopped playing for him and it took him and JB 14 weeks too cut the 4 drunks who caused issues. Unacceptable start the rebuild

[argos1873]

Really? Then why didn't many years of the last 35 or so sink them? The team drew tiny crowds when Doug Flutie was here and it was winning Grey Cups. It had Sherwood Schwarz as an owner for four seasons. It went bankrupt in 2003. It had owners without much money for several years starting in 2004. And on and on. Why are some people so convinced that death may be a few years away?

I see a franchise that now spends significant money marketing the product, has extremely rich owners and has a stadium that offers the best fan experience the team has had in at least 28 years, and arguably since the late 1970s when the Ex was packed. Every game I've gone to I've had a good time, even when the team played badly. Fans are barely ever booing and in fact are busting out "Let's go Argos" chants even when we're getting our butts kicked. As some of us have said a hundred times, we are trying to turn around 35 years of neglect that at times bordered on deliberate efforts to kill the franchise. It's going to take a lot more than one year to build the base up, and it's going to have to get a lot worse than it is now for a prolonged period of time to kill the thing.

Paul I love your optimism, and you raise good points while pointing to the past, that this franchise has survived over just add severe conditions as the present. But the present isn't the past. While I have confidence in the the deep pockets of the current owners, I don't have confidence of their long term commitment. If things go south, not saying they are but they certainly aren't presently going north, how long does these guys hang on? If you don't believe that is a concern you have taken a swig from the kool-aid. It's always a concern until it isn't. And you or anyone else can't convince me otherwise until it isn't.

[paulwoods13]

Paul I love your optimism, and you raise good points while pointing to the past, that this franchise has survived over just add severe conditions as the present. But the present isn't the past. While I have confidence in the the deep pockets of the current owners, I don't have confidence of their long term commitment. If things go south, not saying they are but they certainly aren't presently going north, how long does these guys hang on? If you don't believe that is a concern you have taken a swig from the kool-aid. It's always a concern until it isn't. And you or anyone else can't convince me otherwise until it isn't.

You're more than entitled to your own opinions, but I don't drink Kool-Aid, and resent the implication.

[1971GreyCup]

You're more than entitled to your own opinions, but I don't drink Kool-Aid, and resent the implication.

Paul, we're all beyond frustrated at this point. I believe that there isn't one of us here that wouldn't love to be proven wrong and wished that the Argos had started a winning streak four weeks ago. Right now we'd be debating whether to rest players. and were just fine tuning for the post season.

But for the Argos to play so deplorably in such an important season is hard to swallow. I am thankful for this forum, as I am pretty sure I am saving thousands on psychotherapy this season.

Concurrent with the decline of interest in the Argos, I also mourn the end of print media. As a young man, we rushed home to watch game highlights on CTV. Even though sports had 10 minutes in those days, we'd still lead.

The next day we couldn't wait to read the sports section game highlight and speculations from the experts. Telegram, Star were must reads. Today, only The Star has an article on the game.

[gilthethrill]

I can't help but notice the Argos are employing 5 players that were drafted this spring. In addition to all the 1st year CFL players that are in the defensive backfield, this team is just too inexperienced. I like the fact that Barker drafted guys that made the team, but 5 seems like an awful lot.

Looks like the 2 worst teams in the league will be without 1st round picks next year. Both traded for qb's who did not merit that value.

[doubleblue]

I can't help but notice the Argos are employing 5 players that were drafted this spring. In addition to all the 1st year CFL players that are in the defensive backfield, this team is just too inexperienced. I like the fact that Barker drafted guys that made the team, but 5 seems like an awful lot.

Looks like the 2 worst teams in the league will be without 1st round picks next year. Both traded for qb's who did not merit that value.

You're right on with that last statement. Some renowned Coach (who I can't recall) could have been Wally, said for every rookie you play it will cost you a game. That IMO might depend on the rookie, but there is probably a lot of truth to it.

[Argo]

You're more than entitled to your own opinions, but I don't drink Kool-Aid, and resent the implication.

The most salient fact, the one thing that you fail to sufficiently appreciate, is that this is the Toronto Argonauts final kick at the can.

I don't think I need to elaborate, the reasoning is obvious.

[1971GreyCup]

You're right on with that last statement. Some renowned Coach (who I can't recall) could have been Wally, said for every rookie you play it will cost you a game. That IMO might depend on the rookie, but there is probably a lot of truth to it.

I know "Pinball" has quoted that number.

[AngeloV]

I've always thought Barker and SM were good football men, and fundamentally I still think that, but after watching this team lose (and lose badly) over the last two months, I'm starting to think a change is needed. Barker's trade for Willy may have been the breaking point. Even if Willy does improve, Barker gave away too much as an act of desperation. That's not the kind of move a GM can afford to make. And the release of three starting WRs a few weeks later then blew away the notion that they were still trying to make the playoffs (plus showed the locker room's a disaster).

If Barker goes, the new GM needs to be able to pick his own HC. That means SM has to go as well.

A very thoughtful post. I can't disagree with this. I am as everyone knows a backer of both coach and GM, but I wouldn' t be against change the way things are right now. I don't think Willy is a terrible QB, but I really don't want to go into next season with a QB that lacks confidence as the #1.