Barker and Milanovich need to be fired!!!!!!!!!!

[ArgoGabe22]

For the GM if he can get out of his contract, Eric Tillman from the Cats.
He was here once before and is rated as one of the best with contacts in the US.
For HC see if Marc Trestman is interested?

1) What's wrong with Barker's scouting? Who did Tillman bring in recently other than Simoni Lawrence that is impressive?
2) We'll have to wait til Trestman gets fired and is out of options. No way a coach will walk away from an NFL job.

[Jon Gonzo]

How soon we forget two very impressive road wins (; !

I am just glad that Management is not as impatient and fidgety as some people on sports fan message boards.

I find the notion preposterous and completely outlandish. The season is long and both Barker and Milanovich would be snapped up in a flash.

They *may* have erred in staying with the wrong QB, but Harris had a fantastic offer, and the jury is still out. Lots of Football yet. Keep a steely eye, and stay calm chicken little.

[argotom]

How soon we forget two very impressive road wins (; !

I am just glad that Management is not as impatient and fidgety as some people on sports fan message boards.

I find the notion preposterous and completely outlandish. The season is long and both Barker and Milanovich would be snapped up in a flash.

They *may* have erred in staying with the wrong QB, but Harris had a fantastic offer, and the jury is still out. Lots of Football yet. Keep a steely eye, and stay calm chicken little.

They may "have erred", wow these are huge franchise altering mistakes two years in a row.
If the year goes south just like Ricky Ray's performance, you do not think someone should pay for these "errors"?

[mchesher03]

hope someone's hit the bottle before this thread started - if this is a sober question - YIKES

the short answer is NO!

looking forward to seeing our offence when the receiving corps is in tact, we're a little thin right now.

no need to panic - 2-2 at the start of an 18 game schedule.

[R.J]

The conversation shouldn't start until the end of the season - if it should come up at all. Firing within seasons usually means you have to hire in house and IMO we have no one good enough for replacements.

Barker IMO has done a pretty good job as GM here. Look at our Canadian talent; IMO we have one of the best if not thee best. The only real place we've really struggled is the defensive backfield, and how much of that was/is due to having 4 DC's in 4 years ?

[AngeloV]

Wow, shades of the 5th quarter call in show. Fire everyone after a loss! I say we start with AT's ticket rep first, then work our way up from there.

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LMFAO!! I think I just choked on my sandwich as I was reading that.

[AngeloV]

For the GM if he can get out of his contract, Eric Tillman from the Cats.
He was here once before and is rated as one of the best with contacts in the US.
For HC see if Marc Trestman is interested?

Well, I'm glad to see you are being reasonable here. I'm sure both those guys would jump at the opportunity. By the way, you do know that Milanovich runs Trestman's offence, right?

[argotom]

Well, I'm glad to see you are being reasonable here. I'm sure both those guys would jump at the opportunity. By the way, you do know that Milanovich runs Trestman's offence, right?

Maybe in name only.
No quick releases by the QB, that's not Trestman.

[AngeloV]

Maybe in name only.
No quick releases by the QB, that's not Trestman.

You're wrong. Calvillo made his career on those short passes in Trestman's system.

[paulwoods13]

Once and for all can we get this straight -- both Collaros and Harris left as free agents. That is their right -- the same right every player has when his contract expires. They were not let go by Barker. They chose to leave. And in at least one of the two cases, that was after receiving a generous offer from Barker. So stop blaming him for their departures. Unless you think they should have been signed to 10-yr contracts before ever playing a game. They just did what tons of other guys (including our "own" Josh Bourke) have done.

[R.J]

Once and for all can we get this straight -- both Collaros and Harris left as free agents. That is their right -- the same right every player has when his contract expires. They were not let go by Barker. They chose to leave. And in at least one of the two cases, that was after receiving a generous offer from Barker. So stop blaming him for their departures. Unless you think they should have been signed to 10-yr contracts before ever playing a game. They just did what tons of other guys (including our "own" Josh Bourke) have done.

They did release Collaros prior to free agency.

[Gill The Thrill]

Not totally sold on Barker being the best GM...he brings in the same type of receiver...apparently fast, big , but goes down with injuries...and doesn't fight for balls with moderate hands. Gurley is the best of them, but you have to admit if he was able to bring down everything he'd be earning a check in the NFL or would even be on a practice roster with his size. Kevin Elliot is always hurt and Hazelton has the best hands, but should stop his silly celebration after every 1st down. I like the Jim Brown approach of handing the ball off to the ref and not making it seem like it was your first catch and that you won't be making anymore.

Was reading posts criticizing the D in saying that they made Greg Ellingson look good on Wednesday night...perhaps it might be that he is very good. All he does is catch everything in sight and he does have the ability to make the first tackler miss with a quick subtle move. He's better than every receiver the Argos have. He may not beat them all in a 100 m race, but he's got better hands, is more durable and always makes big plays....That Ottawa receiving corp with Williams, Sinopoli and Jackson is better than ours...each of them has a special skill as a receiver that's different from the other guy. The Argos receivers are all cookie cutter guys...you play them tough and you limit the effectiveness of the entire unit.

Somebody said the Argos have the best Canadians....friggin laughable. Ottawa starts 3 Canadian linebackers and not one of them is a token player because of the ratio. They beat out the Americans that were available.

Who is the only unbeaten team in the CFL?...surprise...the Ottawa Redblacks at 3-0-1.

[R.J]

Not totally sold on Barker being the best GM

Who even said this ?

Somebody said the Argos have the best Canadians....friggin laughable. Ottawa starts 3 Canadian linebackers and not one of them is a token player because of the ratio. They beat out the Americans that were available.

That was me. So I've got to ask - Is Cory Greenwood not an elite linebacker ? Gabriel not an elite safety when healthy ?
We also have Miles, Waud, Bulcke, Bourke, Holmes, McEwen, Van Zeyl, Coombs, and Durie. Pretty good talent IMO and could all be starters on other teams.

[argolio]

They may "have erred", wow these are huge franchise altering mistakes two years in a row.
If the year goes south just like Ricky Ray's performance, you do not think someone should pay for these "errors"?

Where was this huge altering? We've won about the same amount of games per season without Collaros as we did with him.

(Without Harris: to be determined.)

[argotom]

Once and for all can we get this straight -- both Collaros and Harris left as free agents. That is their right -- the same right every player has when his contract expires. They were not let go by Barker. They chose to leave. And in at least one of the two cases, that was after receiving a generous offer from Barker. So stop blaming him for their departures. Unless you think they should have been signed to 10-yr contracts before ever playing a game. They just did what tons of other guys (including our "own" Josh Bourke) have done.

They only left when Ray was anointed as the starter, they obviously did not want back up status or money.
Barker is to blame for staying with Ray and evaluating him ahead of these two.
That's a clear error in judgment, or in this case evaluating talent.

[MEEZY]

For the GM if he can get out of his contract, Eric Tillman from the Cats.
He was here once before and is rated as one of the best with contacts in the US.

Tillman? That speaks volumes about your level of football intelligence. Enough said.

[argotom]

Tillman? That speaks volumes about your level of football intelligence. Enough said.

Sorry Einstein?
He has survived in the CFL for a long time and everyone who knows has acknowledged his ability to evaluate talent and having valuable contacts in the US.
So Austin in Hamilton is again not as smart as you as well?

[argotom]

You're wrong. Calvillo made his career on those short passes in Trestman's system.

When Trestman came to the Als, the first think he did with Calvillo is the short drop and quick release, completely opposite to Malanovich of having Ray dropping back and staying in the pocket.

[R.J]

Tillman? That speaks volumes about your level of football intelligence. Enough said.

Not that I think Tillman would come here (he's pretty happy managing the Ticats with his best bud Austin), but Tillman is nowhere near a terrible/bad GM, and has loads of contacts down South.

When Trestman came to the Als, the first think he did with Calvillo is the short drop and quick release, completely opposite to Malanovich of having Ray dropping back and staying in the pocket.

???
It's the same system AT. The difference is the QB's - Calvillo was a quick release QB, and Ray is not.

[Argo]

They only left when Ray was anointed as the starter, they obviously did not want back up status or money.
Barker is to blame for staying with Ray and evaluating him ahead of these two.
That's a clear error in judgment, or in this case evaluating talent.

The GM acquires the QBs - it isn't his job to decide who starts. The target of your wrath is misplaced.