Barker and Milanovich need to be fired!!!!!!!!!!

[Ron]

I believe Mark Trestman is available now. Keep Barker and hire an offensive minded HC and OC. .

You realize that Trestman would hire Milo and Brady? ;-)

[Al&Kat]

I wasn't exactly happy that Milo quit last game by not kicking the FG with 3 min to go. And I have railed on receivers not being open all year which points just as much at them as it does the system they are in. (I just feel bad for QB's getting so much blame when it's not on them)[/QUOTE]

Yes Ron you have expressed my feelings well. As a level-two STH I have a good view of the whole field, and was just stunned at how nobody was ever open, most of the time...yes the system as you point out has to be a major problem.

[Al&Kat]

I don't think I'd call the offense the "glaring issue" - we have the worst defense in the CFL right now.

Agreed. Just look at the Points Allowed in the current standings. After this Bye Week is finished, it will be even clearer. I mean come on, even if Sask. allows 50 pts. against this week, the Argos D will still be last in Pts. Allowed.
To say nothing of Time of Possession, don't even want to know that stat...

[ArgoGabe22]

I don't think I'd call the offense the "glaring issue" - we have the worst defense in the CFL right now.

#1 defense against the pass

[R.J]

The thing with position coaches is just how much do they really contribute to the team's success/failure? I remember you mentioning in the past about Younger having his players doing something specific like giving so much of a cushion or something like that but when the receivers struggle, is it really on the receivers coach?

Most of the blame falls on the coordinators, but it's the position coaches job to "coach" the players.

Agreed. Just look at the Points Allowed in the current standings. After this Bye Week is finished, it will be even clearer. I mean come on, even if Sask. allows 50 pts. against this week, the Argos D will still be last in Pts. Allowed.
To say nothing of Time of Possession, don't even want to know that stat...

I think we're second in the league in terms of offensive possession.

[OV Argo]

#1 defense against the pass

Yes - shows how valuable some football stats are - LOL !

Weak D-line with little pass rush; and inexperienced secondary with lots of changes / little continuity = BEST pass defence in the league - way to go Stubler !

[Will]

#1 defense against the pass

I couldn't believe my eyes when I saw the "average passing yards against" stat either.

[Argo]

Yes - shows how valuable some football stats are - LOL !

Weak D-line with little pass rush; and inexperienced secondary with lots of changes / little continuity = BEST pass defence in the league - way to go Stubler !

Worst defence in the league. Adios Stubler.

[AngeloV]

Agreed. Just look at the Points Allowed in the current standings. After this Bye Week is finished, it will be even clearer. I mean come on, even if Sask. allows 50 pts. against this week, the Argos D will still be last in Pts. Allowed.
To say nothing of Time of Possession, don't even want to know that stat...

Funny thing is, their time of possession over the first 5 games with Ray at the helm was outstanding. Turning over the ball makes a huge difference.

[AngeloV]

I couldn't believe my eyes when I saw the "average passing yards against" stat either.

I would rarely pass playing against Stublers D. No need to.

[Will]

I would rarely pass playing against Stublers D. No need to.

For sure. All the pass defence statistics need to be taken into account here. Teams can pass against this Argos secondary if they have to.

But, the run defence of his teams from 04-06 were not great. The difference was that QB's back then had Byron Parker, Kenny Wheaton, Chuck Winters, Clifford Ivory, Orlondo Steinauer, Khalil Carter, Jordan Younger and Adrion Smith facing them down in the secondary.

[AngeloV]

For sure. All the pass defence statistics need to be taken into account here. Teams can pass against this Argos secondary if they have to.

But, the run defence of his teams from 04-06 were not great. The difference was that QB's back then had Byron Parker, Kenny Wheaton, Chuck Winters, Clifford Ivory, Orlondo Steinauer, Khalil Carter, Jordan Younger and Adrion Smith facing them down in the secondary.

I'm convinced the Stamps could have scored at will on Friday, but chose to work on some things rather than go all out trying to pile up the points. Teams weren't as patient on offence then either. Stubler's philosophy was that teams won't be patient enough to put together 10 play drives and he was correct. Offence has changed now, and for the most part all teams are taking what's given to them. That's when you need to step up. Argos didn't get a key 2 and out all year.

[R.J]

Stubler has failed miserably this season IMO. Is the overall talent there on defence ? I don't think so, but it's on Stubler to fit and tweak his system to make the most out of the players skill sets, and I don't think he's done that. Stubler relies way too much on Veterans, and it bit him in the behind this season.

[argotom]

Worst defence in the league. Adios Stubler.

His "bend don't break style" is clearly past it's time.
Furthermore the unwillingness to generally make adjustments on the fly or traditionally after the first half of games is more troubling.

[AngeloV]

Stubler has failed miserably this season IMO. Is the overall talent there on defence ? I don't think so, but it's on Stubler to fit and tweak his system to make the most out of the players skill sets, and I don't think he's done that. Stubler relies way too much on Veterans, and it bit him in the behind this season.

He had success in Calgary, but it's pretty obvious the Stamps D is considerably better this year than it was last year.

[Will]

Stubler has failed miserably this season IMO. Is the overall talent there on defence ? I don't think so, but it's on Stubler to fit and tweak his system to make the most out of the players skill sets, and I don't think he's done that. Stubler relies way too much on Veterans, and it bit him in the behind this season.

Except how experienced really was the secondary?

[R.J]

He had success in Calgary, but it's pretty obvious the Stamps D is considerably better this year than it was last year.

Yes it is, and Stubler disciple Orlondo Steinauer's system in Hamilton ain't looking to great either.

Except how experienced really was the secondary?

That's my point though, Stubler's system relies heavily on top notch type veterans to read and pick up the right assignments, he didn't have any this season, and instead of simplifying his defence and/or making the necessary changes, he stuck to his ways and it blew up in his face.

[AngeloV]

Yes it is, and Stubler disciple Orlondo Steinauer's system in Hamilton ain't looking to great either.

Disagree. Their secondary has been banged up all year, and they are still middle of the pack (4th) as far as points against.

[R.J]

Disagree. Their secondary has been banged up all year, and they are still middle of the pack (4th) as far as points against.

5th actually. Montreal started the season with 3 rookies in the secondary, 4 at one point due to injuries and they're in 2nd FWIW.

[Reggiemac]

I would want a totally new offensive system.