Barker and Milanovich need to be fired!!!!!!!!!!

[AngeloV]

Yeah - a tad bleak, but I'm almost inclined to agree.

Barker - hasn't fixed some glaring personnel holes/units in some time - D-backfield in particular; panic moves to trade for Willy + cut 3 starting receivers; likes to air-lift in NFL resume players and assumes they can just plug & play = little TEAM concept - who are the proven vets this team will lead on - is he going to cut/scape-goat Josh Bourke now ?

Milllanovich - same old, predictable, mostly short-pass or check-down offence; thinks Drew Willy is a starting CFL QB or that Brady is an OC ???

Drew Willy - just not a starting calibre CFL QB

Not looking good with those 3 in place IMO

Perhaps OV, but you know me...optimistic about all things Argos.

[R.J]

Yeah - a tad bleak, but I'm almost inclined to agree.

Barker - hasn't fixed some glaring personnel holes/units in some time - D-backfield in particular; panic moves to trade for Willy + cut 3 starting receivers; likes to air-lift in NFL resume players and assumes they can just plug & play = little TEAM concept - who are the proven vets this team will lead on - is he going to cut/scape-goat Josh Bourke now ?

Milllanovich - same old, predictable, mostly short-pass or check-down offence; thinks Drew Willy is a starting CFL QB or that Brady is an OC ???

Drew Willy - just not a starting calibre CFL QB

Not looking good with those 3 in place IMO

And these are the reasons that I think 2017 will be another poor season. Too much talent needed everywhere, and I have a hard time believing Barker can fix in one off season. Milanovich = Nothing else needs to be said. Willy and Ray as the Argos top 2 = Asking for trouble IMO.


I really do hope I'm wrong though.

[argotom]

And these are the reasons that I think 2017 will be another poor season. Too much talent needed everywhere, and I have a hard time believing Barker can fix in one off season. Milanovich = Nothing else needs to be said. Willy and Ray as the Argos top 2 = Asking for trouble IMO.


I really do hope I'm wrong though.

We all do.
However currently there is absolutely no reason to be optimistic.
Unlike us, heck even the Als have improved themselves at QB, on the coaching and management side.

[stuntdog]

However currently there is absolutely no reason to be optimistic.
Unlike us, heck even the Als have improved themselves at QB, on the coaching and management side.

Some might consider continuity at GM and HC to be a source of optimism. Barker and Milo are proven winners; they are not the second coming of JI Albrecht and John Huard (a truly terrifying duo).

There’s still plenty of time before the regular season kicks off. Let’s evaluate the roster and management team at that time before we abandon all hope.

[AngeloV]

Some might consider continuity at GM and HC to be a source of optimism. Barker and Milo are proven winners; they are not the second coming of JI Albrecht and John Huard (a truly terrifying duo).

There’s still plenty of time before the regular season kicks off. Let’s evaluate the roster and management team at that time before we abandon all hope.

Now you've done it.

[Gill The Thrill]

Some might consider continuity at GM and HC to be a source of optimism. Barker and Milo are proven winners; they are not the second coming of JI Albrecht and John Huard (a truly terrifying duo).

There’s still plenty of time before the regular season kicks off. Let’s evaluate the roster and management team at that time before we abandon all hope.

Not the second coming of JI Albrecht and John Huard, but maybe the second coming of Alan Ford and John Gregory, I believe they struck lightning in a bottle and won a Grey Cup, but never won anything after that.

[argos1873]

I believe they struck lightning in a bottle and won a Grey Cup, but never won anything after that.

This^^
I'm not going to say they were lucky in 2012, because I don't think even in a 9 team league luck will win you a championship, but a lot of the pieces of the puzzle happened to come together at the right time. Other than that, I would not say Barker and especially Milanovich are proven winners.

[paulwoods13]

This^^
I'm not going to say they were lucky in 2012, because I don't think even in a 9 team league luck will win you a championship, but a lot of the pieces of the puzzle happened to come together at the right time. Other than that, I would not say Barker and especially Milanovich are proven winners.

"Pieces of the puzzle happened to come together" suggests that B and M had little or nothing to do with it. Barker recruited the guys who came together, and Milanovich coached them. They had to win a playoff game in Montreal (never easy) and they destroyed a strong Calgary team, albeit one with Kevin Glenn at the controls. Their record since 2012 is far from exemplary, but they should get full credit for winning the championship in 2012.

[1971GreyCup]

"Pieces of the puzzle happened to come together" suggests that B and M had little or nothing to do with it. Barker recruited the guys who came together, and Milanovich coached them. They had to win a playoff game in Montreal (never easy) and they destroyed a strong Calgary team, albeit one with Kevin Glenn at the controls. Their record since 2012 is far from exemplary, but they should get full credit for winning the championship in 2012.

Which then begs the question on 2016? Barkers recruits never came together and coaching had no measurable impact either. I believe human nature attribute more weight to recent evidence to their position. Evidence five seasons ago is hard to hang your hat on in 2017. Which explains the phrase "what have you done for me lately?"

[Stevoman]

Barker has been able to find talented players...although maybe fewer of them since Chris Jones left...but keeping them and utilizing them properly has seemed to be the Argos biggest problem. I have mostly agreed with Barkers philosophy of not building a team through free agency but really think this year has to be an exception.

[AngeloV]

Barker has been able to find talented players...although maybe fewer of them since Chris Jones left...but keeping them and utilizing them properly has seemed to be the Argos biggest problem. I have mostly agreed with Barkers philosophy of not building a team through free agency but really think this year has to be an exception.

With the amount of free agents we will see yearly going forward, I agree that the philosophy on not going after free agents has to and will change.

[Reggiemac]

Just because tgey havent announced stuff it doesnt mean that they havent beendoing stuff to change our team. There might be lots of stuff happening but everyone is being quiet. I want to see a quality left tackle and a breakaway type of running back and a new offensive scheme. Injuries everywhere last year was our diwnfall and I am not at all sure how we can get around that. We got lots of experience for our backups and maybe found some new first teamers in the process so with the added experience gained last year and a bit of luck on the injury front maybe we are looking at a rebound year., and maybe, just maybe Willy will earn a spot and the opportunity to show he belongs. One must hope.

[Argo57]

Just because tgey havent announced stuff it doesnt mean that they havent beendoing stuff to change our team. There might be lots of stuff happening but everyone is being quiet. I want to see a quality left tackle and a breakaway type of running back and a new offensive scheme. Injuries everywhere last year was our diwnfall and I am not at all sure how we can get around that. We got lots of experience for our backups and maybe found some new first teamers in the process so with the added experience gained last year and a bit of luck on the injury front maybe we are looking at a rebound year., and maybe, just maybe Willy will earn a spot and the opportunity to show he belongs. One must hope.

Not buying the injury excuse, all teams deal with injury issues during a football season.
I'd be more inclined to look at mediocre (at best) coaching, schemes, talent and crappy team morale instead.

[paulwoods13]

Which then begs the question on 2016? Barkers recruits never came together and coaching had no measurable impact either. I believe human nature attribute more weight to recent evidence to their position. Evidence five seasons ago is hard to hang your hat on in 2017. Which explains the phrase "what have you done for me lately?"

My comment was not about 2016 -- it was about 2012. (Although I did say "Their record since 2012 is far from exemplary.") It just really disturbs me that the dislike some have for B and M has expanded to the point where they won't even acknowledge the two deserve some credit for actually winning a Grey Cup. Do we erase any credit to Obie for the Argos winning in 1983 because he never won another one and missed the playoffs twice?

[Wobbler]

With the amount of free agents we will see yearly going forward, I agree that the philosophy on not going after free agents has to and will change.

Hasn't it already? I think you'd agree that "going after" free agents means acquiring new guys, not extending existing ones. If so, here are the numbers for last season:

BC: 6
EDM: 5
CGY: 3
SSK: 11
WPG: 7
TOR: 8
HAM: 4
OTT: 4
MTL: 4

(Data from the 2016 FA tracker using search hits for "signed with xxx")

[AngeloV]

Yes, that's basically what I was getting at. Even Barker dipped in more than in previous years. I think will see him to even harder this season. Hopefully with more success.

[Wobbler]

No, Angelo, that wasn't what you were getting at. Management may or may not (who knows?) be in the midst of a course correction, but you didn't predict it.

[AngeloV]

No, Angelo, that wasn't what you were getting at. Management may or may not (who knows?) be in the midst of a course correction, but you didn't predict it.

Actually Wobble, I predicted on this site when the league dropped the option on non entry level contracts that rosters would be changing more on an annual basis with lots of player movement in free agency.

[Argo57]

Actually Wobble, I predicted on this site when the league dropped the option on non entry level contracts that rosters would be changing more on an annual basis with lots of player movement in free agency. If you want to be a prick because you think I go overboard by defending the regime every time someone on here knocks them, that's on you. But if you are outright calling me a liar, go F yourself.

I remember you stating that fact a year or two ago Angelo, which is fact correct.
The nature of today's contracts lend itself to substantial player movement year after year which doesn't allow much roster continuity and doesn't help fans identify with their particular teams as in the past.

[AngeloV]

I remember you stating that fact a year or two ago Angelo, which is fact correct.
The nature of today's contracts lend itself to substantial player movement year after year which doesn't allow much roster continuity and doesn't help fans identify with their particular teams as in the past.

Thanks Argo57. Much appreciated.