TJ Heath traded for Drew Willy

[Argo57]

My prediction for the next person to be banned from this forum...

Why are you so hostile all the time?

Personally I enjoy OV's posts, tells it like he sees it with no apologies, keep it up OV!!

[KCargosfan]

OV and I go at each other all the time and we often piss each other off. Having said that, I would absolutely NOT be in favour of banning him.

+1

[KCargosfan]

Back to the trade.....

Like many others, I wasn't a fan of it when I first heard of it. Upon reflection, I'll reserve judgement for a couple of years. If Willy turns out to be a legitimate starter, then giving up any combination of 2-3 players/draft picks is warranted. If not, then it's a poor trade.

Just remember what team Kirk Penton covers on a regular basis.

The funniest thing I keep hearing about this trade is how the Argos gave up a good young DB. I don`t know about anyone else, but I really don`t consider a 29 year old to be young in pro football.

As usual, lio and AV bring the most sound takes to a topic.

Was Heath even a starter at the beginning of the year? Some reporters are acting like we just gave up Deion Sanders or Darrell Green.

[argotom]

We will see on Saturday whether Barker may have pulled the trigger too quickly on this trade.
If Dan has another great game and we happen to win.......?

[Argo]

We will see on Saturday whether Barker may have pulled the trigger too quickly on this trade.
If Dan has another great game and we happen to win.......?

Barker was remarkably defensive about the trade when interviewed lately.
If it doesn't pan out I won't fail to say "I told you so" probably just as B & M leave the scene of the "crime".
If it proves to be a good trade: spicy crow is on the menu.

[paulwoods13]

Saying "I told you so" is par for the course around here. Second only to "I'm telling you so."

[AngeloV]

If Dan has another great game and we happen to win.......?

Then we are in good shape with lots of depth at a critical position. A win would also likely mean that they didn't miss Heath too much.

[argolio]

Then we are in good shape with lots of depth at a critical position. A win would also likely mean that they didn't miss Heath too much.

And sooner or later some team needs a QB, so you can always trade one away. Depth gives you options.

[Will]

Then we are in good shape with lots of depth at a critical position. A win would also likely mean that they didn't miss Heath too much.

Unless it was one of those last-second shootout wins.

[gilthethrill]

We will see on Saturday whether Barker may have pulled the trigger too quickly on this trade.
If Dan has another great game and we happen to win.......?

It will take much more time than that. I am not a Drew Willy fan. However, if Milanovich, who says he can coach him into an elite CFL qb is able to do just that, then I will be a fan.

Let's also hope that Sackey and Campbell can step into meaningful roles with the team next year. That will lessen the impact of trading away that 1st round pick.

[Ron]

Here's another aspect to this trade.

Argos now will have Willy as #1. They have Fever as #2 and he'll be content as a #2 since he isn't starting anywhere else. Plus if Willy goes down he gets his play time + any packages Milo makes for him. This now allows Kilgore or whoever to be a proper #3 guy and develop into the stud Milo thinks they'll become.

[paulwoods13]

This now allows Kilgore or whoever to be a proper #3 guy and develop into the stud Milo thinks they'll become.

Yes. Collaros was ready after a bit more than one season, but that's the exception. Harris was in his fourth season before he played regularly. So was Darian Durant. So was Mike Reilly. Bo Levi Mitchell was in his third.

I'd like to keep two of Kilgore, Fajardo and Bolles in the fold next season, but think we would need to put the No. 4 guy on the IR, at full salary, rather than try to hide him on the PR.

[Argo]

Saying "I told you so" is par for the course around here. Second only to "I'm telling you so."

Oh the humanity.

[doubleblue]

Yes. Collaros was ready after a bit more than one season, but that's the exception. Harris was in his fourth season before he played regularly. So was Darian Durant. So was Mike Reilly. Bo Levi Mitchell was in his third.

I'd like to keep two of Kilgore, Fajardo and Bolles in the fold next season, but think we would need to put the No. 4 guy on the IR, at full salary, rather than try to hide him on the PR.

I think Danny McManus was a back up for 5 years before he finally got his chance. Problem is now players are FA's after two years in most cases, and jump to greener pastures if they have any talent.

[Argo]

Here's another aspect to this trade.

Argos now will have Willy as #1. They have Fever as #2 and he'll be content as a #2 since he isn't starting anywhere else. Plus if Willy goes down he gets his play time + any packages Milo makes for him. This now allows Kilgore or whoever to be a proper #3 guy and develop into the stud Milo thinks they'll become.

Tell us why - apart from completely inappropriate favouritism and, of course, the sunk cost fallacy - should the Argos "now ... have Willy as #1" ?

Anyway, Willy won't be starting until LeFevour doesn't win [or fails to land a triple salchow, or... something]. Yes, it'll be interesting and revealing to see how Milanovich handles this situation.

[Reggiemac]

The rate at which cfl qbs are getting injured makes this a good deal. I think he will be a backup to Lefevour and wh knows maybe trade bait lwter. They obviously saw somethingnthey liked and it sounds like Ricky Ray maybe through for the year and maybe forever. A broken rib puncturing a lung would be enough to make most players think about retiring.

[KCargosfan]

The rate at which cfl qbs are getting injured makes this a good deal. I think he will be a backup to Lefevour and wh knows maybe trade bait lwter. They obviously saw somethingnthey liked and it sounds like Ricky Ray maybe through for the year and maybe forever. A broken rib puncturing a lung would be enough to make most players think about retiring.

I think Ray is done. Too many injuries the past 4 years and this latest one probably seals it.

[Antwon]

The rate at which cfl qbs are getting injured makes this a good deal. I think he will be a backup to Lefevour and wh knows maybe trade bait lwter. They obviously saw somethingnthey liked and it sounds like Ricky Ray maybe through for the year and maybe forever. A broken rib puncturing a lung would be enough to make most players think about retiring.

It will be interesting in a few more weeks. If Ray is deemed healthy, does SM start him if we've been winning with Lefevour? We'll see where we are at that point.


As for Ray being done for next year. Is it his call? Or have SM and JB decided it's time to move on?
Anyway, I prefer Lefevour, Willy, then Kilgore, Fajardo and Bolles in some sort of order.

[Ron]

Tell us why - apart from completely inappropriate favouritism and, of course, the sunk cost fallacy - should the Argos "now ... have Willy as #1" ?

Sure. The player that the HC has been after for a long time (and the team gave up a lot to get) will have to legitimately compete for the #1 job.

Willy is already the #1 guy. He's just not starting yet.

[Argo]

Sure. The player that the HC has been after for a long time (and the team gave up a lot to get) will have to legitimately compete for the #1 job.

Willy is already the #1 guy. He's just not starting yet.

I fear that we are both correct.

B&M could have obtained DW for free: all they had to do is wait until the end of the season.

What if LeFevour plays well enough to start for the rest of this season? Then #1 and #3 and Heath all gone for naught.

What if LeFevour plays well enough to start for the rest of this season, but is kicked to the curb?

Let's just say that both judgment and character are now being tested. Argonauts fans should not pretend otherwise.