TJ Heath traded for Drew Willy

[argolio]

It was a trade forced by ownership because the Argos were hosting a Grey Cup. Wrong place, wrong time for Barker, and it cost him his job.

[paulwoods13]

The trade did not doom the franchise. Nor did it help the franchise. The likelihood that we would have made the playoffs and gone on a nice run if it hadn't been made is very low, IMO. The likelihood that our defence would be playing better than it is now if Heath were still here is low, IMO. Bottom line, it does not matter at this point. The deal was done, history will pass judgment on it when we see how the careers of Ekakitie and Heath and the future pick play out, and how the Argos do over that period of time.

[doubleblue]

The trade did not doom the franchise. Nor did it help the franchise. The likelihood that we would have made the playoffs and gone on a nice run if it hadn't been made is very low, IMO. The likelihood that our defence would be playing better than it is now if Heath were still here is low, IMO. Bottom line, it does not matter at this point. The deal was done, history will pass judgment on it when we see how the careers of Ekakitie and Heath and the future pick play out, and how the Argos do over that period of time.

Sometimes there is a silver lining. The deal doomed Barker and eventually Milanovich IMO. But when it all played out I believe we are better because of the changes. Trestman just is a better Coach and we still have Ricky Ray. Popp has brought in some good veterans like Green and Woods who probably wouldn't be here if the previous GM was here. I still like Jim Barker but sometimes it just time for a change.

[Jon Gonzo]

The trade did not doom the franchise. Nor did it help the franchise. The likelihood that we would have made the playoffs and gone on a nice run if it hadn't been made is very low, IMO. The likelihood that our defence would be playing better than it is now if Heath were still here is low, IMO. Bottom line, it does not matter at this point. The deal was done, history will pass judgment on it when we see how the careers of Ekakitie and Heath and the future pick play out, and how the Argos do over that period of time.

The Redblacks won the Cup with an 8 win season last year and history is ongoing and fluid not linear; therefore, it always matters. Especially when it matters.

[Jon Gonzo]

I am not discounting that one man's failure isn't another man's opportunity. This is what we have been very fortunate with as Argo fans. Things could have been decidedly worse. It didn't look good. Now, at least, Mr. Copeland has something to work with. He'll need to do his part too.

[paulwoods13]

The Redblacks won the Cup with an 8 win season last year and history is ongoing and fluid not linear; therefore, it always matters. Especially when it matters.

If you are suggesting we could have won the Grey Cup if we hadn't made that trade, afraid I have to disagree. I have no idea what the rest of the statement means, but I do know that nothing in the past can be changed. We have who we have now, and I like our team. I did not like our team last year with either LeFevour or Willy at QB.

[AngeloV]

If you are suggesting we could have won the Grey Cup if we hadn't made that trade, afraid I have to disagree. I have no idea what the rest of the statement means, but I do know that nothing in the past can be changed. We have who we have now, and I like our team. I did not like our team last year with either LeFevour or Willy at QB.

Lefevour was the Golden Boy after the Labour Day rematch. Some forget that Ray and the Argos shredded that D in LD game the previous week in a hostile environment, and annointed DL the chosen one at the time. He showed it was a smoke screen 2 weeks later in Ottawa, and he was replaced by Willy who actually outplayed him on that night.

[OV Argo]

The Redblacks won the Cup with an 8 win season last year and history is ongoing and fluid not linear; therefore, it always matters. Especially when it matters.

Plus, teams make money in hosting a play-off game, and even more prestige/attention (media & fans) in winning there and going on to the East final or possibly the GC.

Flushing the season down the toilet and ruining any concept of a TEAM: (a) moron trade for a useless QB in Willy - giving up Heath AND a 1st round draft pick + another pick; b) desperation, scape-goat job in releasing 3, no, 4, former starting receivers at one time (maybe unprecedented in CFL history) - made the team a total joke - to the fans, media and i'll guess a lot of the players. Barker and his clown Millanovich should have been fired by the end of the putrid season = not in the play-offs.

TJ Heath might be starting for this current Argo team - not sure there with Chamblin - figure he's as good as Ansah or Harris now ? And 2 draft picks are building blocks for the future - might have added another Chris Schultz and Kevin Eiben. Call me more a fan of building a team, not flushing teams and seasons down the toilet. Sorry bout that though to the anything the Argos do dare not be questioned apologists. Hey what Barker & Scotty did there was in the past anyhow - maybe they should have been given life-long extensions.

[Will]

Let's keep it civil and not turn this into a "I told you so" thread.

[RB957]

Kind of fitting that TJ Heath's interception of Ray in the final minute of the game ended any hope for a comeback. Pretty well sums it up for how bad this trade turned out. Like the turkey in the oven, it's done so let's move on.

[Jon Gonzo]

Let's keep it civil and not turn this into a "I told you so" thread.

It is worth mentioning that every time I see this Heath guy play, he is a difference maker. He is a game changer. We most certainly DO have room for these types.
All teams need them, and I think the Argos could use one more guy like this back there. It would make a difference, as Heath does almost everytime he plays this game.

[Scooter McCray]

The gift that keeps on giving.