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    Argo fans have an amazing capacity to see dragons around every corner. Why don't we see how things play out for the next 2 1/2 months before worrying that we got hosed on the deal?
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    Quote Originally Posted by paulwoods13 View Post
    Argo fans have an amazing capacity to see dragons around every corner. Why don't we see how things play out for the next 2 1/2 months before worrying that we got hosed on the deal?
    This trade probably can't be properly evaluated until the next 1-2 seasons. Unless for some reason Willy is released at the end or walks away during Free Agency, which I believe isn't until next offseason.
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    Quote Originally Posted by paulwoods13 View Post
    Argo fans have an amazing capacity to see dragons around every corner. Why don't we see how things play out for the next 2 1/2 months before worrying that we got hosed on the deal?
    Paul, it's because Collaros and Harris have their teams so far ahead of the Argos.....wait, nevemind.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AngeloV View Post
    Paul, it's because Collaros and Harris have their teams so far ahead of the Argos.....wait, nevemind.
    An amusing post, AV, and I mean that in a good way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by paulwoods13 View Post
    Argo fans have an amazing capacity to see dragons around every corner. Why don't we see how things play out for the next 2 1/2 months before worrying that we got hosed on the deal?
    Well, I realize that we are in the Barker - Milanovich era, and it really is an era.

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    Quote Originally Posted by paulwoods13 View Post
    Argo fans have an amazing capacity to see dragons around every corner.
    I think that this goes back to the 1960s and 1970s for the Argos fans who can remember that far back. Despite winning six Grey Cups since then, many long-time Argos fans are conditioned to expect the worst.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ArgoRavi View Post
    I think that this goes back to the 1960s and 1970s for the Argos fans who can remember that far back. Despite winning six Grey Cups since then, many long-time Argos fans are conditioned to expect the worst.

    Nope - not me anyways Ravi; I was around as a big Argo fan during that long drought till the GC win in 83.

    I expect the Argos to be able to compete every season now in the modern CFL - with free agency and an $m$ and teams constantly having to replace departed players or make dumb or cheapskate cuts due to the SMS.

    There are no CFL powerhouse teams now - that are good bets to dominate and have a nice path to the GC a lot of seasons = every CFL team has a chance to compete. Anybody could win an average to ultra mediocre East this season.

    I don\t expect the worst for the Argos - I do expect them to be competitive and able to play smart or exciting football; and sorry, Barker & Millanovich have failed miserably more often than not in the past few seasons there; still time to right the ship this season? - we shall see.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OV Argo View Post
    Nope - not me anyways Ravi; I was around as a big Argo fan during that long drought till the GC win in 83.

    I expect the Argos to be able to compete every season now in the modern CFL - with free agency and an $m$ and teams constantly having to replace departed players or make dumb or cheapskate cuts due to the SMS.

    There are no CFL powerhouse teams now - that are good bets to dominate and have a nice path to the GC a lot of seasons = every CFL team has a chance to compete. Anybody could win an average to ultra mediocre East this season.

    I don\t expect the worst for the Argos - I do expect them to be competitive and able to play smart or exciting football; and sorry, Barker & Millanovich have failed miserably more often than not in the past few seasons there; still time to right the ship this season? - we shall see.

    If you are looking for exciting football, then the last two games must have thrilled you then

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jon Gonzo View Post
    If you are looking for exciting football, then the last two games must have thrilled you then
    The last three games have all been thrilling games but, as OV would say, defensive football can be exciting too and the B.C./Toronto game was an intense, well-played, entertaining game.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GreyDragon View Post
    I hope someone took a video of Milanovich giving a game ball to Heath, followed by Barker telling him he had been traded.
    I'd pay to see that video.
    TJ Heath still making plays. lol I'm surprised Winnipeg hasn't hired Jim Barker as a reward for that historic trade.

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    So far this year, Heath has more "receiving" yards than Ernest Jackson despite playing one fewer game.

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    I think it's pretty clear who won this trade.

    So glad Barker and (especially) Milanovich are gone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by R.J View Post
    I think it's pretty clear who won this trade.

    So glad Barker and (especially) Milanovich are gone.
    Exactly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by paulwoods13 View Post
    Argo fans have an amazing capacity to see dragons around every corner. Why don't we see how things play out for the next 2 1/2 months before worrying that we got hosed on the deal?
    TJ Heath, first overall draft choice Faith Ekakitie, supplemental draft pick WR Drew Wp;otarsky. I think I know who got hosed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jerrym View Post
    TJ Heath, first overall draft choice Faith Ekakitie, supplemental draft pick WR Drew Wp;otarsky. I think I know who got hosed.
    I'm glad you pointed this out. I have no problem with people being wrong, but when certain individuals always point out others for being wrong, and then hide when they are wrong, I like to see them being wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jerrym View Post
    TJ Heath, first overall draft choice Faith Ekakitie, supplemental draft pick WR Drew Wp;otarsky. I think I know who got hosed.
    Yeah, the team that got steamrolled at home the other night.

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    Yes, you cannot be making trades like that one. That was their last, final mistake and most of us called it right from the drop of the hat. Even if Willy had rebounded and became a .500 QB for this team, I still wouldn't agree in making that type of a deal. Too risky, not necessary, and it broke the teams spirit. Clearly a bad move.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ArgoRavi View Post
    I think that this goes back to the 1960s and 1970s for the Argos fans who can remember that far back. Despite winning six Grey Cups since then, many long-time Argos fans are conditioned to expect the worst.
    I don't get this line of thought. I believe Argo fans are just like any others. They want to see competitive, exciting football. No hocus pocus or dragons here. It's very simple IMHO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jon Gonzo View Post
    Yes, you cannot be making trades like that one. That was their last, final mistake and most of us called it right from the drop of the hat. Even if Willy had rebounded and became a .500 QB for this team, I still wouldn't agree in making that type of a deal. Too risky, not necessary, and it broke the teams spirit. Clearly a bad move.
    OK, all kidding aside, it's obvious that the Argos lost this trade. But the way this league works, with all the comings and goings, it's something that in the end might not matter. I think the Argos D has looked pretty damn good at this point, so I fail to see the impact that losing Heath really has. As for the draft picks, let's wait and see if the Argos are in worse shape as far as non import go before we call the trade a disaster. Bad trade, yes. Negative impact as a result? I really doubt it.
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    This one’s water under the bridge guys. I’d rather look at the 2 recent thefts that the Argos have done:
    • Shawn Lemon for Mitchell gale, matt sewell and a conditional pick
    • S.J. Green for a 6th rounder

    My friends, these are fleecings. Basically very little for two of our better players.

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