November 5, 2016: Toronto Argonauts @ Edmonton Eskimos

[Will]

The season ends (mercifully) at Commonwealth Stadium.

I've started the game thread early before GreyDragon starts it because I don't think the Argos have won since he started doing them.

[Wobbler]

Kinda early to sticky this, isn't it?

[Will]

Doesn't matter either way really.

[R.J]

Even if Edmonton rests a bunch of their starters, I still think this could be a tough game. I wonder if Milanovich starts Ray yet again ?

[argotom]

Even if Edmonton rests a bunch of their starters, I still think this could be a tough game. I wonder if Milanovich starts Ray yet again ?

Milanovich starting Ray, wow that's a no brainer.
Hopefully it's the last game for both as Argos.

[AngeloV]

Milanovich starting Ray, wow that's a no brainer.
Hopefully it's the last game for both as Argos.

Yeah, Maybe Collaros or Harris will be back next year, because clearly their teams have been better with the other guys starting.

[1971GreyCup]

Yeah, Maybe Collaros or Harris will be back next year, because clearly their teams have been better with the other guys starting.

I'll take either, or preferably both!

[Argo]

Yeah, Maybe Collaros or Harris will be back next year, because clearly their teams have been better with the other guys starting.

I'd like to see Ray return as backup.

I haven't completely given up on Harris, but he has had a couple of opportunities to do what great QBs do - win crucial games (most dramatically, of course, with time running out) - and he hasn't performed. He's no longer a young QB either.

[AngeloV]

I'd like to see Ray return as backup.

I haven't completely given up on Harris, but he has had a couple of opportunities to do what great QBs do - win crucial games (most dramatically, of course, with time running out) - and he hasn't performed. He's no longer a young QB either.

That's the point I made all year about Harris. Some seem to think he's a blue chip prospect. How many 30 year olds are considered to still be prospects? I actually like Harris, but think many on here highly overrated him.

[Will]

Can we really blame people for being frustrated though? At this stage and whatever his flaws, Harris is much, much better than whoever is on the roster save maybe #15.

[AngeloV]

Can we really blame people for being frustrated though? At this stage and whatever his flaws, Harris is much, much better than whoever is on the roster save maybe #15.

I get that, but as Paul pointed out, the Argos did try and sign Harris last year prior to Ray's return. He CHOSE not to sign. IMO, it had nothing to do with bringing back Ray.

[Will]

I get that, but as Paul pointed out, the Argos did try and sign Harris last year prior to Ray's return. He CHOSE not to sign. IMO, it had nothing to do with bringing back Ray.

Yeah, but you also know that from some people here (and whether you can extrapolate that) that they don't buy Barker's side of the story. So they'll continue to be frustrated.

[R.J]

Yeah, but you also know that from some people here (and whether you can extrapolate that) that they don't buy Barker's side of the story. So they'll continue to be frustrated.

I don't buy Barker's story. IIRc Barker says that Harris would have made more money here, but I also recall Barker saying that he could promise an "open competition", Ottawa was willing to name him the "starter" in 2017. We'll see how that works out now.

[Argo57]

I get that, but as Paul pointed out, the Argos did try and sign Harris last year prior to Ray's return. He CHOSE not to sign. IMO, it had nothing to do with bringing back Ray.

Yes he chose to leave, although his play in the second half of 2015 paled in comparison to the first half I figured he was gone when Milanovich started a borderline healthy Ray in the ESF last season.
Personally couldn't blame the guy for giving the big 🖕 to Milanovich over that move.

[PullTogether73]

I've started the game thread early before GreyDragon starts it because I don't think the Argos have won since he started doing them.

Nope, I'm done starting game threads.
My (pitiful) record speaks for itself.

[argotom]

I get that, but as Paul pointed out, the Argos did try and sign Harris last year prior to Ray's return. He CHOSE not to sign. IMO, it had nothing to do with bringing back Ray.

That's not true.
The die was cast when Milanovich benched him in favour of his buddy during the payoff game.
There was no way he was coming back with Ray either listed as number one or being shown as number one on the depth chart.
Who even knows whether he would have come back and signed had the team cut Ray?

[Will]

Whether or not you believe Barker, I do not believe there is anything definitive out there which makes both positions speculation.

[R.J]

Anyone else hoping to see Sackey and Campbell get the starts ?

[gilthethrill]

Anyone else hoping to see Sackey and Campbell get the starts ?

That's a tough one. I would think that if Ray starts, you don't want to risk him getting hurt behind an inexperienced line. I want to see them play, but I would lean towards waiting until next season.

[AngeloV]

That's not true.
The die was cast when Milanovich benched him in favour of his buddy during the payoff game.
There was no way he was coming back with Ray either listed as number one or being shown as number one on the depth chart.
Who even knows whether he would have come back and signed had the team cut Ray?

No, that's your interpretation. Harris hasn't denied what Barker has claimed, so I'll have to believe Barker until evidence of the contrary comes out.