https://www.thestar.com/sports/tfc/2...s-are-cox.html
Sorry for my technical skills if the link doesn't work.
Again, too bad this years Argos regime has allowed these hacks to continue writing stuff like this.
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11-01-2016, 01:33 AM #1Argo Fan
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Damien Cox - Argos v TFC
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11-01-2016, 01:54 AM #2Bleeds Double Blue
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Strangely, I don't have much of a problem with what Cox wrote in this article.
As an Argonauts fan, I'm disappointed that it has come to this, but I can at least see that his point can be made if one looks at game attendance.
We might argue that TV ratings are better for Argonauts games versus TFC games, but are we able to separate Toronto viewers from national viewers? It may be that viewers from other cities watch to see their team play the Argonauts rather than Toronto fans watching to see the local team play.
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11-01-2016, 02:20 AM #3Bleeds Double Blue
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Wow. You mean TFC gets a full house for it's first winning playoff run in it's long decade of existence? Little early to make TFC the predominant #4 team if one has any lick of unbiased opinion.
And notice how he shows the TFC TV rating when compared to the Raptors but excluded the TV rating Argo games get? Cox knowingly is fudging that since he's no noob when it comes to the CFL. He just knew actually using the Argo TV numbers would bury his argument.
Had the Argos gone 12-4 and hosting a East Final and TFC again having a losing season. BMO would be sold out for the Argos playoff game and Cox would NOT be writing any articles about the Argos being #4 and TFC being nobodies.
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11-09-2016, 09:30 AM #4Banned
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They couldn't sell out the inaugural game at BMO back in June with thousands of Hamilton fans buying tickets, I doubt a 12 -4 season and hosting a playoff game would sell anywhere near 20k, unless they can host Hamilton. Two home games this year against Hamilton boosted the attendance, I'm sure it would have been much lower than the announced 16k average without the Ticat fans.
Originally Posted by Ron
As for TFC, you have to give their fans credit, 28k noisy fans coming out on a cold sunday evening. But if you look at their fans they seem to be mainly young 20 somethings and don't really care about the cold or that's it's a Sunday night.
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11-11-2016, 04:21 PM #5Boatman
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^We also have to give you credit for your TFC fan posts as slim at cfl.ca subtly jabbing anything CFL and praising anything TFC. Well done!
Also interesting that the Impact could sell 50k tickets maybe more and it is a great accomplishment (which it is) but if the Als did that the story would be why they were 10k short of a sellout and why couldn't they sellout a playoff game (reference opening game for Argos at BMO) Just wondering why there is this double standard but not surprising when the league is up against a mostly hostile Toronto media (save TSN) and some TFC and NFL fans that want to see the little league dead. Why the Argos/CFL threaten them is well beyond me.
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11-11-2016, 04:37 PM #6Boatman
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NHL, Canucks-Leafs/Sabres-Sens/Oilers-Isles/Flyers-Habs, Saturday, CBC-Sportsnet-City: 2,200,000 Originally Posted by Ron
NFL, Colts-Packers/Saints-Niners, Sunday, CTV: 848,000
NHL, Flames at Kings, Saturday, CBC-Sportsnet: 678,000
NFL, Steelers-Ravens/Eagles-Giants/Lions-Vikes, Sunday, CTV: 670,000
CFL, Roughriders at Lions, Saturday, TSN: 582,000
NHL, Hockey Central, Saturday, CBC-Sportsnet-City: 503,000
CFL, Argonauts at Eskimos, Saturday, TSN: 491,000
NHL, Jets at Rangers, Sunday, Sportsnet-360: 440,000
CFL, Blue Bombers at Redblacks, Saturday, TSN: 387,000
CFL, Alouettes at Tiger-Cats, Saturday, TSN: 364,000
NFL, Broncos at Raiders, Sunday, TSN: 316,000 (NBC audience not measured)
NBA, Kings at Raptors, Sunday, Sportsnet One: 244,000
MLS, TFC at NYC, Sunday, TSN: 221,000
NHL, Flames at Ducks, Sunday, Sportsnet One: 215,000
NHL, Oilers at Red Wings, Sunday, Sportsnet West: 212,000
MLS, Montreal at NY Red Bulls, Sunday, TSN: 181,000
Speed skating, Short-track World Cup, Saturday, CBC: 179,000
Figure skating, Rostelecom Cup, Saturday, CBC: 164,000
Figure skating, Rostelecom Cup, Sunday, CBC: 155,000
Soccer, Premier League games, Saturday, TSN: 118,000
Soccer, Watford at Liverpool, Saturday, TSN: 117,000
NHL, Jets at Red Wings, Friday, TSN Regional: 106,000
Soccer, Tottenham at Arsenal, Sunday, TSN: 105,000
Auto racing, NASCAR AAA Texas 500, Sunday, TSN 105,000
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11-11-2016, 05:40 PM #7Argo Fan
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Originally Posted by Argoknot
Does anyone know what the overall CFL regular season TV rating average was in 2016 and how it compares to 2015?
......Same question for MLS.
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11-12-2016, 03:45 AM #8Bleeds Double Blue
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I don't know the MLS numbers but the CFL numbers have been tracking higher this season than last year up until two or three weeks ago at least. And that is despite an awful lot of competition against the CFL this year such as the Olympics, the Blue Jays' run, and World Cup of Hockey. If the Riders and Argos had both had better seasons this year, we would have seen even higher TV numbers IMO. Originally Posted by mint83
Cameron Dukes + Dan Adeboboye + Kevin Mital + David Ungerer + Damonte Coxie + DaVaris Daniels + Dejon Brissett = Unstoppable Force
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11-12-2016, 03:45 PM #9Bleeds Double Blue
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TFC was averaging TV ratings of 32,000 per game in the regular season. Originally Posted by mint83
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11-15-2016, 12:49 PM #10Boatman
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actually it was 38k ... LMOL Originally Posted by Neely2005
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11-11-2016, 08:08 PM #11Bleeds Double Blue
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So a meaningless Argonauts game crushed a TFC playoff game. Originally Posted by Argoknot
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11-11-2016, 08:22 PM #12Boatman
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In a word, yes, and likely (until the series against Montreal) the most meaningful game in TFC history. And to me that is a relatively poor CFL number. Originally Posted by Neely2005
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11-12-2016, 05:49 AM #13Bleeds Double Blue
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Never mind the TFC number above...why does everyone assume that the Raptors are such a big deal? Originally Posted by Argoknot
Barely above TFC in viewership, and well below all four CFL games, including a nothing game between Hamilton and Montreal.
I don't get the assumption that the Raptors are so widely followed.
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11-12-2016, 05:59 AM #14Boatman
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The Raptors were never a big deal until their playoff run which is what also makes the treatment of the CFL so galling. And the Hamilton/Montreal numbers are much higher because the number above doesn't include RDS. Originally Posted by GreyDragon
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11-12-2016, 06:07 PM #15Bleeds Double Blue
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Have a look at this recent column by Chris Zelkovich: https://ca.sports.yahoo.com/blogs/eh...153155409.html Originally Posted by GreyDragon
If my reading is correct, Raptors "fans" don't actually watch the full games but only bits and pieces at best. They may only watch the highlights but do so in big numbers. This reminds me of the old saying that you only need to watch the final 5 minutes of a basketball game as the rest of the game is irrelevant. I guess that many of the Raptors' followers feel that way.Cameron Dukes + Dan Adeboboye + Kevin Mital + David Ungerer + Damonte Coxie + DaVaris Daniels + Dejon Brissett = Unstoppable Force
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11-15-2016, 08:40 AM #16Bleeds Double Blue
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Here is a link to Damien Cox's most recent column in the the Toronto Star this morning:
https://www.thestar.com/sports/footb...tball-cox.html
The last bit of the column is the best, and is great to see for all CFL fans. I have reprinted it below:
In Canada, after Rogers and Sportsnet owned September and October with strong World Cup of Hockey and Blue Jays ratings, these NFL games delivered good numbers for Bell and TSN, which really needs football to drive its numbers these days. Interestingly, the NFL games drew about half the eyeballs on Canadian airwaves than did the CFL playoff games.
Those contests were entertaining and tight in Hamilton and Vancouver, but the loss of the Tiger-Cats as a possible contestant for the Nov. 27 Grey Cup Game at BMO Field takes away a potentially good draw from a game that’s having trouble selling tickets. Edmonton won the game but may have lost quarterback Mike Rielly to injury, while out west Winnipeg’s first winning season in a while crashed to an abrupt conclusion against the Lions.
Still, the CFL stood strong against the NFL up here, good news indeed for Jeffrey Orridge’s league, which has suffered through awful football in Eastern Canada this year and lousy seasons in the key football markets of Toronto and Regina.
With the NHL and NBA just getting revved up, this should be football’s month in Canada. The NFL and CFL may deal in different dimensions, but both could surely use a run of entertaining games to remind people they are as relevant as ever.
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11-01-2016, 06:05 AM #17Bleeds Double Blue
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I was expecting some one in the Toronto media to write something like this. Cox is a dick. What is this BMO Main Tennant crap? The Argos and KFC are co-tenants. This really sucks that the Argos picked the worst possible time to be the worst team in the CFL. Wonder if Cox will be poking his nose at the Grey Cup Festival later this month...
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11-01-2016, 08:28 AM #18Don
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Oh, he's probably right.
Always going to question the motives of a Rogers employee though.
It is this type of attitude of pitting sports teams against another in this city as why most of the members here couldn't give a damn about the rest of Toronto sports.TORONTO ARGONAUTS FOOTBALL CLUB
GREY CUP CHAMPIONS: 1914, 1921, 1933, 1937, 1938, 1945, 1946, 1947, 1950, 1952, 1983, 1991, 1996, 1997, 2004, 2012, 2017, 2022
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11-01-2016, 01:56 PM #19Bleeds Double Blue
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No shit. I would have no problem if he wanted to write about a wonderful experience and atmosphere at the TFC game, but there was no reason to include the Argos in that write up. A huge troll job. Originally Posted by Argofans.com
Funny how all these writers made fun of the CFL for having 2 teams with similar nicknames (although spelled differently with a different meaning), yet none of them make fun of how many teams are named (insert city)FC.It's us vs the rest of the country
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11-01-2016, 02:08 PM #20Don
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Agree 100% with this. Originally Posted by AngeloV
TORONTO ARGONAUTS FOOTBALL CLUB
GREY CUP CHAMPIONS: 1914, 1921, 1933, 1937, 1938, 1945, 1946, 1947, 1950, 1952, 1983, 1991, 1996, 1997, 2004, 2012, 2017, 2022
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