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    Quote Originally Posted by 1971GreyCup View Post
    It's eight weeks since the Argos have announced that a thorough review of football operations and promised dominant and exciting football in 2017 and beyond. While no one expected any announcements before Grey Cup time, is moving on. Is anyone else getting impatient for at least an update? If the current regime returns intact, what structural changes could the Argos make to become dominant and exciting?
    The only thing left might be they are waiting for the NFL season to end. Don't know why anyone would want to leave the NFL willingly to come to a lower paid job in the CFL. Could somebody like Tom Dimitroff want to return to his CFL roots to run the Argos in his senior years?

    Update. Tom has a three year contract through 2019. But who else is in the NFL with CFL experience who could be thought of as a Shananhan type President of Football Ops. There has to be some reason for the long drawn out delay in who's in charge going forward.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 1971GreyCup View Post
    It's eight weeks since the Argos have announced that a thorough review of football operations and promised dominant and exciting football in 2017 and beyond. While no one expected any announcements before Grey Cup time, is moving on. Is anyone else getting impatient for at least an update? If the current regime returns intact, what structural changes could the Argos make to become dominant and exciting?
    Yes getting very impatient!! I expect some announcement before free agency opens. I think players generally like to know who's coaching the team they may change to.
    Unfortunately my money is on the status quo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gilthethrill View Post
    Other teams have already announced that their staffs are returning. No changes being made but yet they made an effort to make a simple announcement.
    Tells me that there will likely be some changes on the staff, but not at the HC spot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AngeloV View Post
    Tells me that there will likely be some changes on the staff, but not at the HC spot.
    I would be quite good with this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ArgoGabe22 View Post
    It's odd that the most of the more important possible FA's IMO are all re-signing.
    I'd say either we overpaid or they accepted good offers because they liked what they heard about our plans going forward. Hopefully the latter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AngeloV View Post
    Tells me that there will likely be some changes on the staff, but not at the HC spot.
    A distinct possibility Angelo, wonder who they could be talking to as many other CFL teams have recently announced that their entire coaching staffs are returning in 2017.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wobbler View Post
    I'd say either we overpaid or they accepted good offers because they liked what they heard about our plans going forward. Hopefully the latter.
    Maybe that, but also maybe none of the Argos' free agent signings thus far was exactly a big, in demand FA name, with suitors about to be calling with lotsa ca$h.

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    There may not be a lot of players who score big in free agency. With more than 200 free agents potentially coming on the market, smart players and agents may be twigging to the fact that it's a buyer's market. GMs may be telling guys, "Don't make the same mistake Joe Bautista made by overestimating the market for your services. Take my offer now because it won't still be on the table after Feb. 15."
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    Quote Originally Posted by paulwoods13 View Post
    There may not be a lot of players who score big in free agency. With more than 200 free agents potentially coming on the market, smart players and agents may be twigging to the fact that it's a buyer's market. GMs may be telling guys, "Don't make the same mistake Joe Bautista made by overestimating the market for your services. Take my offer now because it won't still be on the table after Feb. 15."
    Easier said than done especially when player agents are involved.
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    Quote Originally Posted by paulwoods13 View Post
    There may not be a lot of players who score big in free agency. With more than 200 free agents potentially coming on the market, smart players and agents may be twigging to the fact that it's a buyer's market. GMs may be telling guys, "Don't make the same mistake Joe Bautista made by overestimating the market for your services. Take my offer now because it won't still be on the table after Feb. 15."
    Classic Leo Cahill negotiating. "I've got a great offer on the table. You get on that plane without signing and I'll personally call the NFL team that's interested and tell them there is no competing offer".

    He laid this out in the book he wrote with Scott Young "Goodbye Argos."

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1971GreyCup View Post
    Classic Leo Cahill negotiating. "I've got a great offer on the table. You get on that plane without signing and I'll personally call the NFL team that's interested and tell them there is no competing offer".

    He laid this out in the book he wrote with Scott Young "Goodbye Argos."
    One of my favourite books ....along with Bouncing Back and the Argos Bounce.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Argo57 View Post
    A distinct possibility Angelo, wonder who they could be talking to as many other CFL teams have recently announced that their entire coaching staffs are returning in 2017.
    There are a lot of coaches with experience in the league that are currently not under contract anywhere. It doesn't have to be someone that is currently tied to another team.

    Quote Originally Posted by OV Argo View Post
    Maybe that, but also maybe none of the Argos' free agent signings thus far was exactly a big, in demand FA name, with suitors about to be calling with lotsa ca$h.
    Because you've spoken to player personnel guys and GM's or coaches to know this.

    Quote Originally Posted by 1971GreyCup View Post
    Classic Leo Cahill negotiating. "I've got a great offer on the table. You get on that plane without signing and I'll personally call the NFL team that's interested and tell them there is no competing offer".

    He laid this out in the book he wrote with Scott Young "Goodbye Argos."
    Of course as we all know, Leo was not playing in a salary cap world, and CFL could pay comparable salary (or even more in some cases) to NFL in those days.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AngeloV View Post
    There are a lot of coaches with experience in the league that are currently not under contract anywhere. It doesn't have to be someone that is currently tied to another team.



    Because you've spoken to player personnel guys and GM's or coaches to know this.



    Of course as we all know, Leo was not playing in a salary cap world, and CFL could pay comparable salary (or even more in some cases) to NFL in those days.

    That's why I said maybe, get it? Sorry to hurt your Jim & Scotty are the greatest feelings though - bet you talk to them everyday.

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    Could you guys try to be nice, please? Life is too short.

    We have some more important guys to re-sign (Whitaker, Greenwood, Jefferson) and others that would help, but I think our off-season has been quite acceptable so far.

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    It's nice to see Shawn Lemon spending the office in Toronto and mentoring the young football players in the GTA through Nick Burn's SuperElite Football. My son has participated in the past and found it special to work out with Owens, Yurichuk, Smith, and Turner.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1971GreyCup View Post
    It's nice to see Shawn Lemon spending the office in Toronto and mentoring the young football players in the GTA through Nick Burn's SuperElite Football. My son has participated in the past and found it special to work out with Owens, Yurichuk, Smith, and Turner.
    Out of curiosity, which Smith and Turner?
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    Wayne Smith and Calgary's Junior Turner.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1971GreyCup View Post
    Wayne Smith and Calgary's Junior Turner.
    Tnx. I assumed Wayne but wasn't sure who Turner was. Wayne's a good guy in the community for sure, and a serviceable backup lineman.
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    CVZ has been extended for three years.

    With Van Zeyl and Holmes returning and McEwan still under contract, our OL Canadian content is pretty secure. Hopefully we'll be able to keep building during free agency.

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