Johnny Manziel

[Stevoman]

IMO it just goes to show that Copeland and TanenBELL have no clue as to what they're doing.

If you had said at the end of the season that both Barker and Milanovich would've been gone none of us would've been too surprised. But imagine finding out back then that the Argos would not have a coach or a GM in time for free agency? We would've wondered what kind of gong show are they running?

[1971GreyCup]

CFL on social media today, is doing a straw poll on whether the Ticats should sign Johnny football. Are they are being proactive on this issue after suffering the PR disaster they went through this week?

[doubleblue]

CFL on social media today, is doing a straw poll on whether the Ticats should sign Johnny football. Are they are being proactive on this issue after suffering the PR disaster they went through this week?

They used to call that "testing the water". lol

Didn't Manziel get charged with hitting his then girl friend in Texas a couple of years ago?

[1971GreyCup]

A lot of issues with this one. Terrible timing too.

[R.J]

Manziel has activated his 10 day window (sign, trade or release within a 10 day period). I'm surprised our media isn't going gaga over the idea of Manziel landing here, Naylor's pushed it hard for the last couple of months though.

Montreal and Toronto need a QB of the future, so they're the most likely fits IMO.

[AngeloV]

Manziel has activated his 10 day window (sign, trade or release within a 10 day period). I'm surprised our media isn't going gaga over the idea of Manziel landing here, Naylor's pushed it hard for the last couple of months though.

Montreal and Toronto need a QB of the future, so they're the most likely fits IMO.

I predict Montreal will be his destination. With the night clubs there, it will be quite the test to see if he is beyond his party days.

[BroadSword]

Yeah Montreal seems more likely to me than Toronto does at this point and I had exactly that thought about Johnny Football and the Montreal party scene this morning. I have doubts that Popp or Trestman have much interest in him, unless both the opportunity and financial costs are quite low.

That being said it would be a hell of a comeback story if he did come up here and got his life/career back together in the process.

Does anyone think there any chance that Ottawa would have any interest, considering the situation with Trevor Harris?

[Neely2005]

I'm thinking that he ends up in Saskatchewan.

[doubleblue]

Manziel has activated his 10 day window (sign, trade or release within a 10 day period). I'm surprised our media isn't going gaga over the idea of Manziel landing here, Naylor's pushed it hard for the last couple of months though.

Montreal and Toronto need a QB of the future, so they're the most likely fits IMO.

It would create quite a stir for a while if the Argos managed to land him. So how does this sign, trade or release in 10 days work. Suppose Hamilton gave what the
league considered a fair offer and the Manziel camp turned it down. Does he then become a free agent? Or stay on the Hamilton neg list?

[AngeloV]

Suppose Hamilton gave what the
league considered a fair offer and the Manziel camp turned it down. Does he then become a free agent? Or stay on the Hamilton neg list?

I believe it would go to an arbitrator at that point. Perhaps even the commissioner. Personally, I think they should have to release him at that point. It's absurd to hold a player that has never been under contract back from signing. Time to abolish the stupid neg lists.

[jerrym]

If Manziel becomes a free agent, I don't think he will pick Toronto because Marc Trestman doesn't play his backups unless he absolutely has to and Manziel has shown no patience at any time in his career.

[jerrym]

It would create quite a stir for a while if the Argos managed to land him. So how does this sign, trade or release in 10 days work. Suppose Hamilton gave what the
league considered a fair offer and the Manziel camp turned it down. Does he then become a free agent? Or stay on the Hamilton neg list?

Here is how it works.

If a contract offer is not received within that period, the player is removed from the neg list. If a contract offer is received but rejected, the player is removed from the list one year from the offer date.

http://3downnation.com/2017/09/13/jo...-clock-report/

[AngeloV]

Here is how it works.



http://3downnation.com/2017/09/13/jo...-clock-report/

That's utter stupidity. Neg lists need to go away. I'd even prefer an International draft.

[Wobbler]

The latest: The Cats got an extension to Sunday, and multiple teams (including Montreal) want to acquire his rights.

[jerrym]

Here is how it works.

If a contract offer is not received within that period, the player is removed from the neg list. If a contract offer is received but rejected, the player is removed from the list one year from the offer date.

http://3downnation.com/2017/09/13/jo...-clock-report/

That's utter stupidity. Neg lists need to go away. I'd even prefer an International draft.

I agree but after the Art Briles fiasco in Tiger Town do they really want to risk another fiasco with Manziel given his history that includes a domestic violence charge? If Hamilton wants to salvage something out of this, they could make a minimum salary offer to Manziel and quickly trade his rights to one of the other teams interested in him. Personally I wouldn't even do that because the Cats already have created an image problem with their fans.

The league has said Manziel would have to undergo an assessment with a domestic violence prevention official and meet with commissioner Randy Ambrosie, who’d then decide whether to approve the contract. In January 2016, Manziel was charged after being accused of hitting and threatening a former girlfriend before reaching an agreement with prosecutors to dismiss the case. ...
It’s unclear which teams are interested in Manziel but any club acquiring him would have an additional 10 days after the consummation of the deal to make him a contract offer. If an offer was made and Manziel turned it down, he’d remain on the franchise’s negotiation list for up to a year from the date of rejection. ...
A team could initially present Manziel a two-year deal – one year plus an option – for the league minimum of $53,000 annually knowing it’d be turned down. But it would be with the understanding two sides would have up to a year to work out a more suitable agreement while ensuring Manziel doesn’t step on to a CFL field with another franchise.

http://3downnation.com/2017/09/14/ti...erest-manziel/

[Rich]

I agree but after the Art Briles fiasco in Tiger Town do they really want to risk another fiasco with Manziel given his history that includes a domestic violence charge?

A domestic violence charge doesn't look like it's gonna hurt Ezekiel Elliott's career very much. In the NFL kneeling for the anthem is considered a bigger sin than hitting a woman. Why would domestic violence charges be any less forgivable in the CFL?

[Rich]

As I said in February, it wouldn't surprise me if Larry Tannenbaum was strongly "encouraging" Popp to sign Johnny Football. Larry knows that people love big names in this town, and I'd bet he believes that signing a big name like Manziel would put the Argonauts on the map.

But I agree with Angelo, it would only make sense if he signed a 3-year contract, this year plus a commitment for 2 more. Johnny could spend the rest of this season learning the ropes watching Ricky play and take over for the start of next season, while Tannenbaum watches ticket sales go through the roof.

[AngeloV]

As I said in February, it wouldn't surprise me if Larry Tannenbaum was strongly "encouraging" Popp to sign Johnny Football. Larry knows that people love big names in this town, and I'd bet he believes that signing a big name like Manziel would put the Argonauts on the map.

But I agree with Angelo, it would only make sense if he signed a 3-year contract, this year plus a commitment for 2 more. Johnny could spend the rest of this season learning the ropes watching Ricky play and take over for the start of next season, while Tannenbaum watches ticket sales go through the roof.

This is where I disagree. I don't think signing Manziel would result in a major spike in ticket sales. A minor one, yes, but not a major one.

[Argo57]

Would be a shame to go from a class act like Ricky Ray to this guy, no thanks.

[Argo]

This is where I disagree. I don't think signing Manziel would result in a major spike in ticket sales. A minor one, yes, but not a major one.

Two questions:

Can he make the throws a QB needs to make in the CFL?
Character: is there any evidence whatsoever of quality in this fellow?