What are your honest, realistic expectations of this team.

[jerrym]

I don't buy this idea that Trestman didn't have any running game in Montreal. Twice his teams finished in the top 3 in team rushing yards. Compare that to the Milanovich-era Argonauts, who finished dead last in team rushing 3 times. Trestman's smart enough to know that you need a running game if you've got an immobile QB. I think the key is having depth at the position, and I think either Wilder or Hunter could end up being a real gamebreaker. They've got to find a way to dress two INT RB along with Coombs every game this year.

I remember a couple of games where Trestman's Alouette's trounced the Argos primarily because of the ground game chewing up large yardage and then shifting to an air attack when the Argos made adjustments, something that Milanovich rarely, if ever, seemed to get the hang of.

[Rich]

I don't buy this idea that Trestman didn't have any running game in Montreal. Twice his teams finished in the top 3 in team rushing yards. Compare that to the Milanovich-era Argonauts, who finished dead last in team rushing 3 times. Trestman's smart enough to know that you need a running game if you've got an immobile QB. I think the key is having depth at the position, and I think either Wilder or Hunter could end up being a real gamebreaker. They've got to find a way to dress two INT RB along with Coombs every game this year.

Well I was right about this but as I have confessed before, I was wrong about Ray for a long time. Here's what I can't figure out about Ricky Ray: he looks like he's moving a little quicker this year. Last year he moved in the pocket like he was wearing snowshoes, but in the last few games he's been jumping up into the pocket and evading the rush like I've never seen him do it before.

Maybe his knees are feeling better this year, but I think the big difference might be improved O-iine play, giving Ricky a reliable pocket to escape into more often.

[BATKINSON001]

People keep saying ray is done, I would rather have him than any other, especially willy.

[Will]

People keep saying ray is done, I would rather have him than any other, especially willy.

Nobody disagrees with Ray > Willy. However, that doesn't mean that everyone sees Ray as the ideal solution.

[BATKINSON001]

Nobody disagrees with Ray > Willy. However, that doesn't mean that everyone sees Ray as the ideal solution.

Until we hear about someone else who isn't willy, ray is all we have.

[Will]

Until we hear about someone else who isn't willy, ray is all we have.

Pretty much.

[paulwoods13]

I'd like to see what Willy can do under Trestman. Yeah, I know it's the same system as Milanovich blah blah, but I still want to see for myself. Maybe he's terrible, maybe he's not. And since when is Fajardo nothing? Are we really writing him off as well? That's implied in "Ray is all we have."

[Will]

I'd like to see what Willy can do under Trestman. Yeah, I know it's the same system as Milanovich blah blah, but I still want to see for myself. Maybe he's terrible, maybe he's not. And since when is Fajardo nothing? Are we really writing him off as well? That's implied in "Ray is all we have."

That we know about.

[R.J]

Nobody disagrees with Ray > Willy. However, that doesn't mean that everyone sees Ray as the ideal solution.

Agreed.

I'd like to see what Willy can do under Trestman. Yeah, I know it's the same system as Milanovich blah blah, but I still want to see for myself. Maybe he's terrible, maybe he's not. And since when is Fajardo nothing? Are we really writing him off as well? That's implied in "Ray is all we have."

I don't think Fajardo's nothin, just not ready to a be starter from what I've seen. Admittedly through very limited sightings.

[paulwoods13]

Last I looked, football did not require expertise at running obstacle courses.

[Will]

The Argos were the worst team in the CFL in 2016 finishing 5-13. The coaching staff has undergone a complete overhaul with Scott Milanovich resigning and moving to Jacksonville to be the QB coach and Jim Barker being fired. They were replaced by Marc Trestman and Jim Popp respectively. The complications in putting these two in place meant that the Argos missed out on several marquee free agents. With training camp a few weeks away I wanted to ask people what their honest, realistic expectations were for this upcoming season:

Offence

The Argos will go as far as Ricky Ray's health will take them. His injury history has been well documented and I will not repeat it. Drew Willy, Jeff Mathews and Cody Fajardo compete for his backup spots.

I'm comfortable with the situation at running back.

The Argo receiving corps even with S.J Green is still a little thin. Fuller has an injury history and Paden is inexperienced as is Jones and Wylie. The Argos could use some luck here.

The o-line still makes me nervous. The LT spot is still up in the air and the right side of the OL is still a concern too.

Defence

The D-line should be solid.

The Argos need a MLB.

I hope the secondary will improve with a year of experience under their belts.

Anyways, I'm hoping that the Trestman/Popp duo gives the Argos some intangibles, and if some guys stay healthy and emerge then maybe we can pull a shocker on the rest of the league. It's contingent on many things, but hoping things break the Argos way for once.

Ray is east candidate for MOP.

RB situation stabilize itself by end of season.

S.J Green was everything and more! Fuller was disappointing, Paden was cut as was Wylie. Edwards stepped up as #2 and Coombs played well (when healthy). Hopefully, a 3rd receiver will solidify himself behind Green and Edwards next year.

OL was up and down all year.

D-line was more than solid. 1st in sacks and #1 against run.

Argos need a MLB: got one!

Secondary was improved though many of the faces were new.

Trestman/Popp duo was great!

[Wobbler]

Do you think it's enough noise to actually impair communication? It's hard to tell on TV, but it doesn't seem so to me. No harm in some, uh, harmless pre-snap enthusiasm.

[smokeslet'sgo]

I just went through this thread again, and unless I'm mistaken or missed something not a single person predicted a Grey Cup berth for us this year. Most were doubtful we'd even be better than last year. Regardless if we win or lose next week, you can't help but be proud of this team and what we did this year.

[RB957]

I just went through this thread again, and unless I'm mistaken or missed something not a single person predicted a Grey Cup berth for us this year. Most were doubtful we'd even be better than last year. Regardless if we win or lose next week, you can't help but be proud of this team and what we did this year.

100% agree.

[timlb01]

Unblievable result this year. Popp and Trestman are unreal. There is no way this happens if they did not bring those guys in. Amazing year and hopefully we will all be happy next Sunday night!!!

[Joe Barnes]

Unblievable result this year. Popp and Trestman are unreal. There is no way this happens if they did not bring those guys in. Amazing year and hopefully we will all be happy next Sunday night!!!

Absolutely! Great job Argos, and thank you. What a ride it is!