GAME THREAD - Week 2: BC Lions @ Toronto Argonauts

[Will]

Friday, June 30, 2017 at 7:00 PM

A test for the Boatmen as Wally brings his Lions' to town. Plenty of weapons for the Lions on offence to test whether the Argos D performance against Hamilton was a one-off or an ongoing trend.

[Scooter McCray]

Short week for Argos but the saving grace it will be for BC too. One extra day but they need to travel across the country. Will be a good one. Two HOF coaches going up against each other.

[Wobbler]

Time to find out if we can stop the run this year.

[mchesher03]

Nice early season litmus test. Would be nice to equal last year’s home win total in week 2 for starters.

Curious how effective the D-Line and secondary can be against BC. Can’t wait to see Ricky and these receivers show anything like last game!

[Will]

Nice early season litmus test. Would be nice to equal last year’s home win total in week 2 for starters.

Curious how effective the D-Line and secondary can be against BC. Can’t wait to see Ricky and these receivers show anything like last game!

Saw a stat from Derek Taylor that Jennings was under pressure on 51% of pass snaps. This could be a factor on Friday.

The test of Moore, Burnham and Arceneaux will be a nice one for the secondary as will Rainey on returns.

Mike Reilly did throw for nice yardage vs BC so there is potential for Ray and the receivers there.

[1971GreyCup]

Trestman doesn't expect the other CFL teams will fold in wake of game #1. I just like the fact that this team will come out to play each and every game. I expect them to improve on the mental mistakes made last week. CC looks to be an exciting DC. And he's been given the tools to play is game. Ricky Foley tweed that "I told you so" in response to the defensive first game.

[Wobbler]

Why would the league fold? Our attendance wasn't *that* bad.

[Scooter McCray]

Why would the league fold? Our attendance wasn't *that* bad.

13,000 (3,000 are ticat fans and another 2,000 youth giveaway and 4000 sth). That means the team sold 4,000 real tickets to Torontonians over a 7 month offseason. And it was the home opener. Last years home opener had 25,000.

Come on Wobbler, even you can't put lipstick on that pig.

(Sorry I misspelled your handle earlier - I'm still learning to type.)

[Will]

Argos will be tested on the ground as the Lions had one of the better running games last year. Hamilton ran the ball only 7 times last week, which does not constitute a big sample size. On the flipside, the Argos only ran for 39 rushing yards against Hamilton, which you can't really fault considering all the breakdowns in Hamilton's secondary, but might be able to get something going with Whitaker and Wilder here as BC allowed 100+ rushing yards to John White.

[Will]

Why would the league fold? Our attendance wasn't *that* bad.

I do not believe that Bill's post in this instance was referring to attendance.

[OV Argo]

Saw a stat from Derek Taylor that Jennings was under pressure on 51% of pass snaps. This could be a factor on Friday.

The test of Moore, Burnham and Arceneaux will be a nice one for the secondary as will Rainey on returns.

Mike Reilly did throw for nice yardage vs BC so there is potential for Ray and the receivers there.

Should be a real good test to see how that Argo D can handle another offence. BC has a bit of run game - unlike the Ticats who have none; Jennings is a talented young QB with mobility; Burnham, Arceneaux, Rainey are dangerous offensive weapons.

I think BC's O-line should be pretty decent; first game they were up against that Esks D-line that features 4 veteran, pretty proven guys (Willis & Hunt at ends; Sewell & former Argo Euclid Cummings at tackle, plus they played an impressive new import DT (can't recall his name, but they said he was a former US college ball top D player), and game some reps to draft pick D Kwaku Baoteng at DE (I didn't see the Argo D do any subbing/rotating on the D-line the first game - maybe they are all in superb condition ?) The Esks D did a pretty good job of containing the Lions O - we'll see if the Argo D can play them even tougher.

And BC's D-line is average to mediocre IMO - not near as good as the Ticats' - Ray should have some time.

[Will]

The Argos have veterans at two spots on the D-line in Lemon and Laing. Butler had 2 sacks in his debut so he'll be one to watch on Friday too. The Argos didn't rotate a whole lot, but that might start with Cash returns to the lineup.

[paulwoods13]

The Argos have veterans at two spots on the D-line in Lemon and Laing. Butler had 2 sacks in his debut so he'll be one to watch on Friday too. The Argos didn't rotate a whole lot, but that might start with Cash returns to the lineup.

As far as I could tell, they didn't rotate at all. The four starting d-linemen appeared to play every snap. Tuggle was on the field for a play or two but it looked to me like he was either a fifth d-lineman or an OLB. The front four were great but playing every snap is a recipe for burnout. As I said in another thread, IMO we need to add depth on the line, and it would require sitting either Plummer or Tuggle or an INT receiver. It would be nice if we could develop someone like Ralph or Noel as a returner since at this point Worthy (the DI who only returns kicks) may be a luxury we can't afford. Cash and Waud are both on the six-game IL so it seems unlikely we'll be able to use either in rotation any time soon. Maybe we can get Walker back from the one-game to give us at least one rotation guy.

[doubleblue]

As far as I could tell, they didn't rotate at all. The four starting d-linemen appeared to play every snap. Tuggle was on the field for a play or two but it looked to me like he was either a fifth d-lineman or an OLB. The front four were great but playing every snap is a recipe for burnout. As I said in another thread, IMO we need to add depth on the line, and it would require sitting either Plummer or Tuggle or an INT receiver. It would be nice if we could develop someone like Ralph or Noel as a returner since at this point Worthy (the DI who only returns kicks) may be a luxury we can't afford. Cash and Waud are both on the six-game IL so it seems unlikely we'll be able to use either in rotation any time soon. Maybe we can get Walker back from the one-game to give us at least one rotation guy.

I noticed that as well. Tuggle starting going in for Bishop later in the game but playing more of a blitzing LBer. But by then the Argos knew that Collaros had to pass and maybe Bishop was getting a little gassed. Daryl Waud I would hope could eventually be a rotation guy at DT. Don't know what his injury situation is though. He looked to be walking ok on the sidelines but he is 6 gamed for some reason. Friday night is suppose to be a little more humid and only with 5 days the DL could use some some more depth.

[Will]

I noticed that as well. Tuggle starting going in for Bishop later in the game but playing more of a blitzing LBer. But by then the Argos knew that Collaros had to pass and maybe Bishop was getting a little gassed. Daryl Waud I would hope could eventually be a rotation guy at DT. Don't know what his injury situation is though. He looked to be walking ok on the sidelines but he is 6 gamed for some reason. Friday night is suppose to be a little more humid and only with 5 days the DL could use some some more depth.

Do the Argos contemplate putting Wilder on the 1-game to free up a spot on defense? Or as Paul says perhaps one of the receivers.

[OV Argo]

I noticed that as well. Tuggle starting going in for Bishop later in the game but playing more of a blitzing LBer. But by then the Argos knew that Collaros had to pass and maybe Bishop was getting a little gassed. Daryl Waud I would hope could eventually be a rotation guy at DT. Don't know what his injury situation is though. He looked to be walking ok on the sidelines but he is 6 gamed for some reason. Friday night is suppose to be a little more humid and only with 5 days the DL could use some some more depth.

The D-line rotation thing - that most CFL teams deploy quite a bit now - might be more to do with the mind-set of a Chamblin, who likes his first stringers and maybe doesn't have another import D-Lineman dressed to use. The Argo have Jeff Finley at DT (dressed i beleive?) who at least has CFL experience and he didn't play; they could also dress one of their top draft picks in Evan Foster at DE (had a strong ex. game) and give him a shot at some playing time (much later D-line draft picks like Justin Vaughn for the Ticats and Kwaku Boateng played in their first CFL games). Chamblin might be more of an NIs need not apply type thinker; Woodson and then Max Webster got in the game after injuries to starters.

[Argo57]

I'm really looking forward to this game, nice start to the season and sense this team will be ready to play hard (which is all any fan can ask for)!!!!

[Neely2005]

It will be interesting to see if our D can continue to bring the pressure like they did against Hamilton.

[Argofan_1000]

Why would the league fold? Our attendance wasn't *that* bad.

Fold = stop trying not close up shop

[Argofan_1000]

13,000 (3,000 are ticat fans and another 2,000 youth giveaway and 4000 sth). That means the team sold 4,000 real tickets to Torontonians over a 7 month offseason. And it was the home opener. Last years home opener had 25,000.

Come on Wobbler, even you can't put lipstick on that pig.

(Sorry I misspelled your handle earlier - I'm still learning to type.)

last year - not good - but a few more games where Argos win like Sunday and we may be back to last years numbers. Paulo Senra from the CFL office tweeted that the Argos Ticats game had the most twitter traffic of all the opening day games. Anyone know what the television numbers were?