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    Quote Originally Posted by argonaut11xx View Post
    This group isn't even close to,

    Greer, Tolbert, Pearson, Carinci, McGhee, Townsend.

    but there is some MAGIC brewing....

    91 GC team receiving corps - DK Smith, Paul Masotti, Rocket Ismail, David Williams and Pinball (hybrid slot/RB but more of a pass catcher than a running back).

    If you took all 5 of those guys' best CFL receiving season and added the yards up = one of the best CFL resume groups of all-time, I would bet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Argo57 View Post
    From a football standpoint nothing, was talking about a guy playing the whole season then getting yanked when it really mattered.
    Football, unfortunately, is a cruel game but Obie was known for making those kinds of decisions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ArgoRavi View Post
    Football, unfortunately, is a cruel game but Obie was known for making those kinds of decisions.
    For sure Ravi, O'B showed no sentiment at all.
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    Most successful coaches are ruthless at times. The Argos dropped Jeff Boyd and Chris Munford from the lineup late in the 1991 season even thought both guys had made very important contributions to that point.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Argo57 View Post
    For sure Ravi, O'B showed no sentiment at all.
    The one move that typified Obie was when Craig Ellis played very well at running back during the first half of the 1986 season. Then Cedric Minter returns from the NFL and Ellis is promptly released (roster size was much, much smaller back in those days) as Obie felt that Minter was an upgrade on Ellis. IIRC, Minter had some injury issues and then the Argos had to turn to William Miller who also played well. By the start of the 1987 season though, Miller was gone and Minter traded to Ottawa for QB Gilbert Renfroe. Obie got some heat from the media during that era about how much he would turn over the roster thus contributing to a lack of player identity among a fanbase that was shrinking.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ArgoRavi View Post
    The one move that typified Obie was when Craig Ellis played very well at running back during the first half of the 1986 season. Then Cedric Minter returns from the NFL and Ellis is promptly released (roster size was much, much smaller back in those days) as Obie felt that Minter was an upgrade on Ellis. IIRC, Minter had some injury issues and then the Argos had to turn to William Miller who also played well. By the start of the 1987 season though, Miller was gone and Minter traded to Ottawa for QB Gilbert Renfroe. Obie got some heat from the media during that era about how much he would turn over the roster thus contributing to a lack of player identity among a fanbase that was shrinking.
    Minter was noticeably bigger and slower when he eventually returned from the Jets.
    I also remember MLB Darrell Nicholson being dealt to Calgary and wondering what the hell O'Billovich was thinking but in hindsight he was only trying to do what was best for the Argos.
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    Quote Originally Posted by argonaut11xx View Post
    This group isn't even close to,

    Greer, Tolbert, Pearson, Carinci, McGhee, Townsend.

    but there is some MAGIC brewing....
    Quote Originally Posted by OV Argo View Post
    91 GC team receiving corps - DK Smith, Paul Masotti, Rocket Ismail, David Williams and Pinball (hybrid slot/RB but more of a pass catcher than a running back).

    If you took all 5 of those guys' best CFL receiving season and added the yards up = one of the best CFL resume groups of all-time, I would bet.
    I agree with OV. The current Argo receivers have potential, but aside from Green, they still have a lot to prove.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jerrym View Post
    I agree with OV. The current Argo receivers have potential, but aside from Green, they still have a lot to prove.
    Posey is alright but I don't think he is that much of an upgrade over the former "big three". Did Paden even get a ball thrown his way tonight?

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    Quote Originally Posted by OV Argo View Post
    91 GC team receiving corps - DK Smith, Paul Masotti, Rocket Ismail, David Williams and Pinball (hybrid slot/RB but more of a pass catcher than a running back).

    If you took all 5 of those guys' best CFL receiving season and added the yards up = one of the best CFL resume groups of all-time, I would bet.
    I have to agree with OV that the '91 receiving corps as it was configured is the best in team history.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Argo57 View Post
    From a football standpoint nothing, was talking about a guy playing the whole season then getting yanked when it really mattered.
    Hindsight being 20/20. At the time it was a great move and without it, Argos may not have won the Grey Cup in '83. Geoff Townsend actually played McGhee's spot in '83.
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    Quote Originally Posted by doubleblue View Post
    Posey is alright but I don't think he is that much of an upgrade over the former "big three". Did Paden even get a ball thrown his way tonight?
    He is an upgrade. Attitude alone. Hurley is currently out of football. Elliott must have injured himself spinning the ball on his useless 7 yard crossing route late in the Argos game as he didn't dress for the Ti-Cats. And Hazelton hasn't done much for the Esks in 2 games. A #4 option on their core.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AngeloV View Post
    Hindsight being 20/20. At the time it was a great move and without it, Argos may not have won the Grey Cup in '83. Geoff Townsend actually played McGhee's spot in '83.
    I'll agree with that Angelo, ET had a productive stint in TO and Townsend has some speed as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Argofans.com View Post
    I have to agree with OV that the '91 receiving corps as it was configured is the best in team history.

    Williams and Pinner did little in that 91 GC win though - but getting the ball to all 5 of a great 5 pack every game would not be easy - some guys get covered well in match-ups or the D takes something away or they can be more decoys to open things up for other receivers.

    Pure talent wise and CFL best season resume wise - it would be hard to argue with that corps. And they didn't need to have a Terry Greer or Mookie Mitchell amazing single, individual season - I'm going by the 5 on the field.

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    Terry Greer is an all-time CFL great receiver IMO and probably greatest Argo talent there ever; but (IMO again) he's the only receiver from the 83 five pack that makes the 91 version. David Williams, Paul Masotti and Rocket Ismail were all quite a bit more talented receivers than any of Tolbert, Pearson & Carinci (though I like all 3 of those guys as well); and as far as receiving backs - Minter was a very good one, but Pinball was just flat out way better - better hands, better YAC ability.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AngeloV View Post
    He is an upgrade. Attitude alone. Hurley is currently out of football. Elliott must have injured himself spinning the ball on his useless 7 yard crossing route late in the Argos game as he didn't dress for the Ti-Cats. And Hazelton hasn't done much for the Esks in 2 games. A #4 option on their core.
    That ball spinning drove me nuts. I am glad those guys are gone. Celebrating nothing all the time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AngeloV View Post
    He is an upgrade. Attitude alone. Hurley is currently out of football. Elliott must have injured himself spinning the ball on his useless 7 yard crossing route late in the Argos game as he didn't dress for the Ti-Cats. And Hazelton hasn't done much for the Esks in 2 games. A #4 option on their core.
    Well, the Argos' current receiving corps isn't too shabby!

    I still think Hazelton is a good receiver who will earn his pay over the course of the season. IIRC, from highlights, he had a nice TD reception in game one.

    Those poor, miserable Tabbies... not sure how much of the heavy blame to be shared there that Elliot should assume.

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    Quote Originally Posted by timlb01 View Post
    That ball spinning drove me nuts. I am glad those guys are gone. Celebrating nothing all the time.
    Although it might be popular with that ever important 18 - 29 segment!
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    Quote Originally Posted by 1971GreyCup View Post
    Although it might be popular with that ever important 18 - 29 segment!
    Not when you're down by 17, with 3 minutes left on a catch that was short of a first down. That's ass clown material plain and simple.
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    I still say that ON PAPER, Green, Fuller, Posey, Edwards and Coombs was the best group since 2005.

    But last night the receivers were terrible. Three TD drops. Coombs was the only guy to have a good night. Whitaker should be fined for trying to catch the ball overhanded. And what happened to Green on that late 3rd down pass in the end zone? Did he not see the ball coming? Paden looks weak and confused, we need to do better than him, surely Noel is stronger and better at this point.

    But here's the thing: The receivers were terrible, Ricky had an off game, and we still got 330 yards through the air. Just wait till these guys really start gelling.

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