GAME THREAD / Week 8 / Argonauts de Toronto v Alouettes de Montréal

[paulwoods13]

I can go away if you want, probably best idea

That's your idea, not mine. I'm just asking you to contribute something other than a single idea ad nauseam.

[AngeloV]

I can go away if you want, probably best idea, I see others feel same way so thats what I will do

Over and out. You and a couple others have as much as said go away, so I think I can take a hint. I dont want to be part of a forum were I am not liked anyway. Thanks for sharing that, because it seems to be the same view as many/most

Shirley, I don't want anyone to go away. The more Argos fans, the better. Let's just try and make a point, and then not post the same thing over and over and over again. We already have a member that does that.

For example:

Shirley's posts - while most certainly repetitive and narrow focused - don't bother me in the slightest.

OTOH - some other posts, from the usual suspects, rushing to defend anything & everything the current Argo braintrust does, from the infidels who aren't with the program - most certainly or surely do bother me. Sorry bout that.

Likely the thousandth time this (or a reasonable facsimile) has been posted.

[ArgoZ]

I can go away if you want, probably best idea, I see others feel same way so thats what I will do

Over and out. You and a couple others have as much as said go away, so I think I can take a hint. I dont want to be part of a forum were I am not liked anyway. Thanks for sharing that, because it seems to be the same view as many/most

No,, don't leave. I vote stay. Simply refrain from posting about Fajardo in almost every post. We all want him and the Argos to succeed. We once had a poster who seemed to talk about his love for Collaros in every post! Eventually, everyone gets tired and tunes them out.

[BATKINSON001]

There is no other argos discussion forum, that I am aware of.

IF this shuts down I'll have no choice but to go back to the cfl forums and that place sucks ever since they redid the website design

[Joe Barnes]

What if they used both Matthews and Fajardo? One is more of a drop back passer, the other a scrambler. By utilizing both, they would keep the Als D off balance. I don't mean alternating them, but have one relieve the other if the offence starts to sputter. Similar to Holloway and Barnes back in the early '80's. It would give both of them some playing time under game conditions, as well.

[Wobbler]

Nice to read that Cash is expected to play this week. Finley's job is probably safe for now, but hopefully we can dress both Cash and Wynn. Hmm. There's probably a joke in there somewhere...

[Shatto]

I hope Shirley continues to contribute to this forum. There are probably several who agree with the opinion that Fajardo has earned the right to start against Montreal but don't necessarily express that view on this forum. Yes, it can be tedious when a poster continues to advocate for one issue and one issue only but Shirley is obviously is an Argo fan and perhaps we can cut Shirley some slack if they (gender neutral you notice) seem to be over committed to this one issue.
So hopefully, we can show a little forbearance and let's instead, encourage Shirley to widen their view on some of the other contentious issues connected to the team.

[argonaut11xx]

Jeff Mathews is named the starter.

[paulwoods13]

Jeff Mathews is named the starter.

Meltdown expected in 3-2-1 ...

[Mightygoose]

Jeff Mathews is named the starter.

Why not give it a shot as it may only be for 1 week anyways...I hope.

As strange as it sounds, I'm more confident we can go from Matthews to Fajardo quickly if the start doesn't pan out as opposed to the other way around.

[AngeloV]

Admittedly, I was hoping Fajardo would start, but I've always believed Matthews was talented. Just needs to get some consistency. Crazy to write off a 25 year old that has started all of 3 or 4 games in his career.

[timlb01]

I don't care if Condredge Holloway starts as long as we win. I think this will be a two quarterback game. I think they will specific plays for there skill sets but Matthews will get the majority of the playing time. These two games are very important. We have one of the best coaches and GM's in the game so my vote is with those two men.

[ArgoZ]

Admittedly, I was hoping Fajardo would start, but I've always believed Matthews was talented. Just needs to get some consistency. Crazy to write off a 25 year old that has started all of 3 or 4 games in his career.

Totally agree. I hate the negatively around Mathews. He's poised for a young 25 year old. He played very well in the pre-season. He deserves a shot no more or less than Fajardo. If he struggles, we have a change of pace quarterback in waiting. I can see why coaches might think Fajardo needs more time. He doesn't make it through all his reads before he takes off, sometimes in panic. Not a bad thing to have wheels, but put a spy on him and he can be easy to gameplay against.

[PullTogether73]

Totally agree. I hate the negatively around Mathews. He's poised for a young 25 year old. He played very well in the pre-season. He deserves a shot no more or less than Fajardo. If he struggles, we have a change of pace quarterback in waiting. I can see why coaches might think Fajardo needs more time. He doesn't make it through all his reads before he takes off, sometimes in panic. Not a bad thing to have wheels, but put a spy on him and he can be easy to gameplay against.

Absolutely agree with the analysis about Fajardo. Moves to the run too quickly if his first target is covered. He seems to need more time to develop. I believe this is the reason he is not starting this week.
However, I disagree on Matthews. I have not seen anything from him to indicate he is a starter, or even a serviceable backup tbh. And throwing in another immobile QB behind a weak offensive line seems counter-intuitive to me.
Where is Dan LeFevour right now? I would be happy to see him start Friday night actually.

[AngeloV]

Where is Dan LeFevour right now? I would be happy to see him start Friday night actually.

Last thing I want is a QB that can't throw.

[OV Argo]

Last thing I want is a QB that can't throw.

So you must be very displeased with Matthews as the starter? LeFevour has a better arm than Matthews IMO - hands down / no contest.

Matthews was brought to the CFL by his US college boy buddy/coach Kenty - doubt he gets even a try-out with any other CFL team except for Kenty; maybe QB guru Trestman can make something out of Matthews - put up some pretty decent stats in an Argo ex. game - is that a good thing or it can it be dismissed as meaningless to suit an agenda ?

You should contact our old Argo Mike O'Shea and let him know that LeFevour "can't throw" and it's insane to have that guy on the Bummers roster as a back-up or 2nd stringer; you do want to help an ex-Argo great, don't you (unless it was to help in playing against the Argos) ?

[Neely2005]

Absolutely agree with the analysis about Fajardo. Moves to the run too quickly if his first target is covered. He seems to need more time to develop. I believe this is the reason he is not starting this week.
However, I disagree on Matthews. I have not seen anything from him to indicate he is a starter, or even a serviceable backup tbh. And throwing in another immobile QB behind a weak offensive line seems counter-intuitive to me.
Where is Dan LeFevour right now? I would be happy to see him start Friday night actually.

Dan Lefevour is in Winnipeg.

[gilthethrill]

Admittedly, I was hoping Fajardo would start, but I've always believed Matthews was talented. Just needs to get some consistency. Crazy to write off a 25 year old that has started all of 3 or 4 games in his career.

Matthews had some success in Hamilton back in 2015. 385 yards passing in one start. I really like Fajardo but I don't see why so many people are writing off Trestmans decision.

Don't the Argos always seem to win the first game that Ray misses due to injury?

[R.J]

I disagree that LeFevour has a better arm over Matthews, but in either case, neither are very good IMO.

[AngeloV]

I disagree that LeFevour has a better arm over Matthews, but in either case, neither are very good IMO.

Might turn out to be true, but Lefevour has also had a lot more opportunities. As I mentioned, Matthews has had some moments when he has looked quite good, and he's only 25.