Ray's future in................ Edmonton ?

[Shatto]

Not to denigrate in any way Ray's performance this year, as he has performed admirably but age and injuries have further reduced his somewhat limited mobility. In Saturday's game we saw a younger more mobile Reilly outplay him when it mattered most. Ray is still capable of playing brilliant football, as we saw late in the game against Hamilton. However, as others have stated, change at QB must come sooner or later and the danger of waiting too long, might well result in a similar situation that Montreal found itself in after Calvillo retired.

Ray has had a great year and could perhaps hang on another year or two but that could be at the expense of the team developing the next first string QB. Hopefully the team can get first place and then go on to play in the GC. That swan song, would be an excellent time for Ray to retire.

[AngeloV]

In Saturday's game we saw a younger more mobile Reilly outplay him when it mattered most.

Again, where did Reilly outplay him? When it mattered most? They both led their teams to lead changing TD's late in the 4th. They both threw picks on balls tipped by the lineman. Ray averaged more yards per pass attempt than Reilly, and had it not been for a couple of Illegal contact penalties on the final drive (one which negated a holding call on the offence) the game was over. I don't know how that can be pinned on Ray being outplayed by Reilly. Oh, and did I mention CJ Gable ran wild?

[Shatto]

Normally it's better not to get into a "I'm right no I'm right" dialogue but since the question was posed, "where did Reilly outplayed him (Ray)?", I'll attempt to answer the query.

Ray played an excellent game as his stats of 76.2% completions, for 362 yards demonstrated but when the chips were down, he didn't match Reilly's performance of a late 4th quarter 74 yard drive, which included 2 successful third down plays.

Ray's play did not lose the game for the Argos. Gable's 104 yards against Whitaker's 39 had more to do with it. Jackson's crucial 6th season fumble also didn't help. The very questionable PI call against Darby also hurt Argo's chance of winning.

There is no question that both Ray and Reilly had great games but if one has to judge which QB did more to win the game, then it was Reilly with his last minute heroics.

Others have come to the same conclusion, as one reporter wrote "Reilly outgunned Ray" or as another commented "---Reilly's another clutch performance in winning the game".

It is probably true that Reilly didn't outplay Ray until the very end of the game but that was when it meant the most.

Anyway, that is my take on the issue but I respect others who may have a different opinion. It's also my last word on the issue

[Jon Gonzo]

Not to denigrate in any way Ray's performance this year, as he has performed admirably but age and injuries have further reduced his somewhat limited mobility. In Saturday's game we saw a younger more mobile Reilly outplay him when it mattered most. Ray is still capable of playing brilliant football, as we saw late in the game against Hamilton. However, as others have stated, change at QB must come sooner or later and the danger of waiting too long, might well result in a similar situation that Montreal found itself in after Calvillo retired.

Ray has had a great year and could perhaps hang on another year or two but that could be at the expense of the team developing the next first string QB. Hopefully the team can get first place and then go on to play in the GC. That swan song, would be an excellent time for Ray to retire.

A well thought and rational post Shatto. Ricky Ray has had a very good season, but the Argos would be insane not to consider what you have mentioned above. It's what they do. Or, it's what good managers do. Bad managers only react to right now. Good managers get *in front* of the curve. In fact, if we're going to move forward with Ricky, it should not be at a starters rate. Time to bolster up and have a 1-A and 1-B situation next season (or another full out starter). I'd like Ricky to be a part of that equation and I believe it is fully possible given RR's desire to learn how to coach. What better way than to have 2 QB's with lots of coaching experience to learn from?

I think Ricky is comfortable with the Argos and Marc Trestman. I think Ricky is a rational, team driven performer. I think Ricky is a realist.

It'll have to be an incentives contract for RR next season, or I too believe this team will cost itself in positive progression moving forward into some very crucial seasons in Toronto.