Would it be better for the franchise if we lost the Cup?

[argotom]

It's the old win the GC and it does not translate to more tickets or season tickets sold next year?

[Will]

Just win baby.

[Joe Barnes]

Just win baby.

The Hollywood script writer says Argos win, to cap this wonderful turn-around season and see Ricky Ray retire a champ. The marketing exec might want an exciting but competitive close loss, as it might be easier to market the chase for all of next year - the chase is better than the catch, as they say...if this were any other franchise.

But for the Argos, I don't think it matters, in the sense that this is just one step in a slow rebuild of the brand, which is going to take several years. The fact we had last Sunday, and that fabulous day that was the East Final, is a victory in itself. That kind of day, and victory, at home, is what this franchise needed to build on both to re-energize the base and engage new fans. The trip to the Grey Cup is just gravy after that. So why not a win, then?

Win and you market the champion Argos and use the in-stadium experience of last Sunday, which translated well on TV, as your starting point. Lose and the silver lining is that they still have the same successful EF to use to market, and sell tickets for, the drive for the Cup next year. It's win-win, really, from a purely marketing perspective.

So, no holding back. Let's go get this Cup today! Send the team all of your positive thoughts and energy today. All hands on deck! All in! Pull Together! Let's go Argos!

[argos1873]

Without question this "built up hunger and popularity popping syndrome" after a championship can be pinpointed to the Argos in 1983. When they broke that 31 year old drought on that November night under the dome in Vancouver they were at their zenith. The whole city went nuts. (funny new Canadians to Canada that i tell this too dont believe me that the Argos were as popular as the Jays and Leafs in those days). After that though something happened. 1984 the team was just as successful (although they lost the eastern final that year) yet attendance was noticebly slipping and the Blue Jays were just getting competitive and "cool" factor went out with the Argos. By 87-88 the boatman were drawing half the fans they were 5 -7 years earlier. Lots of other factors too contributed to the argos demise but yes if they hadnt won in 83 maybe they would be drawing big crowds right through to the 90s

I totally agree with this, however this time there is no drought, and the overall attitude towards the team is completely different. I definitely think a win this time helps way more than it hurts. If they are going to lose, they better make it very close. A blowout loss will have a damaging affect in this rebuild. Not detrimental, but just not good, as far as new or fairweather fans are concerned.

[Ron]

Always better to win. The one thing that sets this franchise apart is a recent history of actually winning Championships. Win or lose we won't be seeing 20K+ for every home game but still better to win. Owners are in for the long haul. We saw that with low attendance this year they didn't do any panic moves like radically lowering prices.

Plus it's hard to win back to back if you don't win the first one.

[Joe Barnes]

Always better to win. The one thing that sets this franchise apart is a recent history of actually winning Championships. Win or lose we won't be seeing 20K+ for every home game but still better to win. Owners are in for the long haul. We saw that with low attendance this year they didn't do any panic moves like radically lowering prices.

Plus it's hard to win back to back if you don't win the first one.

Another great marketing hook for next season: the quest for back to back championships - lol! Another reason to be all in today!

[Argofan_1000]

If they loose today and It Is a great game no damage done.

Off season is important - no miss steps please. Identifying RR's eventual replacement by action or word would be important in the off season. If they think they have him on the team then leadership needs to play this up or sign one of the FA QB's available. RR's job next year will be to coach one of these guys to take over. Lessons learned on tickets sold and what events to stay away from would be important. Day and Time of day is important. This year they switch with Ti-cats and have more home dates between the 2 teams. SRR date is important and the bobble head give aways were also popular. A kids day like everyone else plus an October Women's day? Working closely with Ti-Cat ticket packages offer 1 game in their park might be fun. Team getting out to the high schools working out with the high school teams would be building a future fan base and costs the team very little. Every year Argos go out and practice with the winner and runnerup in high school football in TO? Bring some T shirts, tickets and some of the cheer team. No never mind - leave the cheer team - bad idea.

[ArgoRavi]

You never know when your team will be back in the Grey Cup again so only a fool would hope for an Argos' loss today. The Argos went 19 years between Grey Cup appearances from 1952 to 1971 and then another 11 years until 1982. Even though they had a number of good teams from 1984 to 1990, the Argos only made one lone Grey Cup appearance during that time and we all remember the long 8 year drought between appearances from 2004 to 2012.

When your team gets to the Grey Cup in any given year, enjoy it and hope for a win as there are no guarantees about when the next appearance will be.

[gilthethrill]

Without question this "built up hunger and popularity popping syndrome" after a championship can be pinpointed to the Argos in 1983. When they broke that 31 year old drought on that November night under the dome in Vancouver they were at their zenith. The whole city went nuts. (funny new Canadians to Canada that i tell this too dont believe me that the Argos were as popular as the Jays and Leafs in those days). After that though something happened. 1984 the team was just as successful (although they lost the eastern final that year) yet attendance was noticebly slipping and the Blue Jays were just getting competitive and "cool" factor went out with the Argos. By 87-88 the boatman were drawing half the fans they were 5 -7 years earlier. Lots of other factors too contributed to the argos demise but yes if they hadnt won in 83 maybe they would be drawing big crowds right through to the 90s

The Blue Jays becoming contenders and the evolution of NFL coming into our homes helped enormously in the Argos attendance decline. It would have happened even if they lost the Cup in 83.

[jerrym]

The Blue Jays becoming contenders and the evolution of NFL coming into our homes helped enormously in the Argos attendance decline. It would have happened even if they lost the Cup in 83.

I agree that this was far more important in the Argo attendance decline, especially in a city that likes so much to see itself recognized as a world-class player putting on so-called world-class events.

[gilthethrill]

I agree that this was far more important in the Argo attendance decline, especially in a city that likes so much to see itself recognized as a world-class player putting on so-called world-class events.

It was around that time that it came out that it was not cool to watch teams from Regina, etc....

[Tobythor]

Give Larry Tannenbaum his first championship, he'll love the Argos for it! The buzz of a win will be good for the team and I'm not sure the chase is that important to many casual fans. They want to have a great game day experience and an exciting game day experience to attend. Atleast that's my experience with my casual fan friends.

[jerrym]

Is there any lunatic out there who still would have preferred that the Argos lose this Grey Cup?

[Joe Barnes]

Is there any lunatic out there who still would have preferred that the Argos lose this Grey Cup?

Lol! Can't imagine there is! What a gutsy performance from a truly remarkable team! Argos!

[ArgoGabe22]

Would it be better? I dunno but screw it. This win is the for the fans who were with the team since Day 1.

[gilthethrill]

Is there any lunatic out there who still would have preferred that the Argos lose this Grey Cup?

Yes...they all reside in Calgary.

[argolio]

Hell no!

/thread locked

[R.J]

Would it be better? I dunno but screw it. This win is the for the fans who were with the team since Day 1.

Yeesh, our fans really are old - 1873.

[Ron]

Nothing better for future of the franchise than seeing Larry hoisting the GC with a huge smile on his face

[Argo57]

Who on this forum wasn’t on cloud nine today?...........as Ravi eluded to you always want your team to seize the moment and win because you never know what tomorrow brings.