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    City owned stadium, so I’d imagine MLSE will get the bill to fix the seats. Luckily, these extremely low quality seats are an easy fix and they likely have hundreds in storage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ArgoGabe22 View Post
    And Argos ruining the turf is a problem? How does this even happen?


    That's disgusting.


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    Seats were probably damaged when fans stood and jumped on the seats, in excitement at the end of the game. Really don't see TFC fans destroying stadium seats on purpose. A couple of questions though----who took the pictures?, who posted the pictures?, is BMO following up with TFC to discover who were in those seats?, where was security when the damage was done?

    Let's give the fans the benefit of the doubt and assume the damage was accidental, until any further information proves otherwise.

    Kind of reminds me of the 50's when jubilant football fans used to tear the goalposts down after a championship win--when they were made of wood---of course those fans often got arrested and charged with drunken behaviour etc. Understand it still occasionally happens at college games in the States.

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    It'll be fixed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ArgoGabe22 View Post
    And Argos ruining the turf is a problem? How does this even happen?
    I saw that as well and that is a total lie.

    Might as well get this straight now. Before the Argos went to BMO the object of the TFC "fan" scorn were the "fat" "out of shape" baseball players. There is a significant amount of TFC fans who believe that if they attack other sports and denigrate them that will somehow make soccer/TFC look better and "take over". Neither the Impact or Whitecaps fans do this. Where it all turned was when it was announced the Argos were going to BMO, then you saw full on social media attack.

    They post at CFL sites posing as fans and insidiously take shots and denigrate the CFL in any way they can. They do it here and at other CFL sites. They are usually allowed to get away with it and yet if a CFL fan goes to one of their sites they are banned immediately.

    Now for the big lie. They like to tell everybody that football destroys their precious turf except that isn't true, it is soccer that does the damage. How do we know that? It comes from the mouth of the groundskeeper at probably the most famous turf in the world, Wembley.



    Here is what he says

    Tony Stones, Head Groundsman, Wembley Stadium

    "We find most damage is caused by football (soccer) players digging in, turning quick, whereas an NFL game it's all solid, it's crunching together, Desso likes that, holds together well, it's when they're doing quick turns, your Rugby Union you get a bit of quick turning in that as well and a bit of scrummaging so you get a bit of mess from that but I'd say most damage comes from football (soccer)

    It's warmups, football (soccer) warmups that are the worst thing, that's where we get the most damage from, especially the goalkeepers that will not use his portable goal, they insist on using his main goal that creates us some serious trouble" 51


    Now since the sky hasn't fallen and a number of TFC people have seen reason, this issue is not as bad as it was but there are still many who post this lie, Now, the Argos are taking the high road and many TFC fans are classless as always (as seen from not posting congrats to the Argos until after it was mentioned) but that doesn't mean you have to turn your back to some of their tricks.

    BTW, the part about soccer being the most damaging to turf is backed up by John Torres the head groundskeeper at Philadelphia's PPL park who hosted a seminar called "Playing Surface Management" at the 2015 MLS draft. Torres says that, though it surprises some people, soccer does the most damage to a playing field of the sports he's worked with. 25

    Now before some people get all upset, I'm not trying to start anything, just telling it like it is/was, the situation is much better now, but when obvious lies are put out there, the experts' opinion is out there as well, and it's best to be "armed" with the truth.
    Last edited by rdavies; 12-15-2017 at 03:44 AM.

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    Maybe I missed it but did the TFC front office, on behalf of the club and the majority of the TFC fans (who I believe are reasonable individuals), ever post an apology for the tasteless "No Argos@BMO" banners prominently displayed just before the Eastern final?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shatto View Post
    Maybe I missed it but did the TFC front office, on behalf of the club and the majority of the TFC fans (who I believe are reasonable individuals), ever post an apology for the tasteless "No Argos@BMO" banners prominently displayed just before the Eastern final?
    Good question...not that I am aware of.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shatto View Post
    Maybe I missed it but did the TFC front office, on behalf of the club and the majority of the TFC fans (who I believe are reasonable individuals), ever post an apology for the tasteless "No Argos@BMO" banners prominently displayed just before the Eastern final?
    why would they?

    it wasn't done by the club, it was done by stupid classless children fans who wont grow up and learn to share what isn't theirs to begin with.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shatto View Post
    Seats were probably damaged when fans stood and jumped on the seats, in excitement at the end of the game. Really don't see TFC fans destroying stadium seats on purpose. .
    I don't know about that. If it was just the broken seats I may be inclined to agree with you, but the picture clearly shows areas where the entire seat has been ripped out. That doesn't happen from jumping up and down on them.
    It's us vs the rest of the country

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shatto View Post
    Maybe I missed it but did the TFC front office, on behalf of the club and the majority of the TFC fans (who I believe are reasonable individuals), ever post an apology for the tasteless "No Argos@BMO" banners prominently displayed just before the Eastern final?
    It's great that they didn't as it would have given the sign a larger profile in the media.

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    Had to laugh at a comment at another site responding to a post showing the damage.

    "I am quite confident they left the pitch intact, though! "
    : )

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    To answer the question "Why would they?"----normally any organization will comment when unacceptable behaviour is conducted by anyone, who might be construed to represent the organization in any way, shape or form. Perhaps expecting an apology might be a little much but surely a comment from the front office expressing regret for the affront directed at the Argos and their fans Perhaps a comment distancing the club from the unacceptable behaviour would be appropriate. Also a request requesting fans to refrain from activities that their co-tenant might find distasteful, would be nice.

    A positive and principled stand by the TFC front office, making it clear that such behaviour is not approved of, by the management, would go a long way towards establishing a better sense of harmony between the two clubs and their fans. I certainly would expect this from the Argos, if the shoe were on the other foot. Or am I being naïve in expecting such an approach?---hope not.

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    It was on purpose. Starts with 1 then others do it.

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    Argos & Grey Cup still outdrawing Toronto FC & the MLS Cup on TV by quite a lot. Had over twice as many TV viewers for the Division Finals (1.4mil vs 641k), and 4.1m (Grey Cup) to 1.3m (MLS Cup) for the Final game of each league on TSN.

    Both teams got about the same number of fans out to Nathan Phillips Square for their celebrations (4-5k). Props to both franchises

    Paulo Senra@paulosenra 2h2 hours ago


    From notes I kept this past year + google searches: the average TV ratings on the night champions were crowned in 2017. Football still leading.

    Super Bowl : 4.47M
    Stanley Cup : 2.67M
    NBA Finals : 588K
    World Series : 1.13M
    Grey Cup : 4.3M
    MLS Cup : 1.3M
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    No me.
    I don't give a rats rectum about TFC or the 5th Division quality MLS.
    TFC is nothing more than a niche sport in this city, with television numbers of infomercial size.
    Not that I have ever been, but I am told on their site they have nothing positive ever to say about the Argos or the CFL.
    So why should we care here.
    In fact these photos of damages, show how there are soccer hooligans also in this country.

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    A lot of people out for their parade.

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    Quote Originally Posted by R.J View Post
    A lot of people out for their parade.
    As there were for the Argos in 2012. Had the Argos had had an actual parade, just as many would have been out. Working at Bay and Wellington for the last 28+ years, I can tell you that people that work down there would go out and watch any championship team being celebrated along the route. The true indication is how many people go into Nathan Phillips Square for the rally. I wasn't there today, but from people I know that went to both, the crowd there today was very similar to the Argos celebration 2 weeks ago.
    It's us vs the rest of the country

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    TFC's Nathan Phillips Rally.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ewMnf358B_A

    Sad that they have to copy Iceland's Viking Clap.

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    Possible BMO Field changes (start at 10:35)

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    Where does Toronto FC go from here?
    December 11 2017

    Toronto FC President Bill Manning joins Joey Vendetta and Damien Cox to discuss the team's MLS Cup win, their focus on the CONCACAF Champions League, how this team compares to his 2009 Real Salt Lake club, whether or not he sees TFC becoming the New York Yankees of MLS, and what the off-season plans are.

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    Popped out of the office today to see the TFC parade, it felt very much like the Argos in 2012. Both cases it was really cool seeing the trophis!

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