MLSE purchase the Argos

[Scooter McCray]

Prime Time Sports - December 15 - 5pm (Start at 36:45)
December 15 2017

Friday, 5 pm: It's the Friday roundtable with McCown, Damien Cox, John Shannon, and Arash Madani!

This was not a very good segment. Same old BS from the same group of jackasses. They struggle to understand why Rogers bouğht into Argos. That they lose $12 million now (impossible) and that they can never be profitable. Shannon was the biggest moron. They have zero vision. Now that MLSE can run this team there is no reason why the stadium can't be full, corporate interest rises substantially, TV revenues increase, ancillary revenues increase. I would be surprised that if in 2 years the Argos aren't adding profits to their bottom line. Their player costs and admin costs are fixed. The only variable cost is how much marketing and game day expenses do you want to have.

[Tobin Rote]

Shannon also assured us that the Leafs had already made a deal with Vancouver for Luongo during the last NHL strike. He is a completely disconnected sycophantic has been. His only purpose in life is to run errands for McCown. Don't give a second thought to anything that he says.

[R.J]

This was not a very good segment. Same old BS from the same group of jackasses. They struggle to understand why Rogers bouğht into Argos. That they lose $12 million now (impossible) and that they can never be profitable. Shannon was the biggest moron. They have zero vision. Now that MLSE can run this team there is no reason why the stadium can't be full, corporate interest rises substantially, TV revenues increase, ancillary revenues increase. I would be surprised that if in 2 years the Argos aren't adding profits to their bottom line. Their player costs and admin costs are fixed. The only variable cost is how much marketing and game day expenses do you want to have.

The 6pm hour with Brian Cooper is a much better segment.

[Argo57]

This was not a very good segment. Same old BS from the same group of jackasses. They struggle to understand why Rogers bouğht into Argos. That they lose $12 million now (impossible) and that they can never be profitable. Shannon was the biggest moron. They have zero vision. Now that MLSE can run this team there is no reason why the stadium can't be full, corporate interest rises substantially, TV revenues increase, ancillary revenues increase. I would be surprised that if in 2 years the Argos aren't adding profits to their bottom line. Their player costs and admin costs are fixed. The only variable cost is how much marketing and game day expenses do you want to have.

John Shannon, former TV exec and all around know nothing blowhard.

[AngeloV]

Prime Time Sports - December 15 - 5pm (Start at 36:45)
December 15 2017

Friday, 5 pm: It's the Friday roundtable with McCown, Damien Cox, John Shannon, and Arash Madani!

Talk about a foursome of Aholes made for each other.

[CBlake]

This was not a very good segment. Same old BS from the same group of jackasses. They struggle to understand why Rogers bouğht into Argos. That they lose $12 million now (impossible) and that they can never be profitable. Shannon was the biggest moron. They have zero vision. Now that MLSE can run this team there is no reason why the stadium can't be full, corporate interest rises substantially, TV revenues increase, ancillary revenues increase. I would be surprised that if in 2 years the Argos aren't adding profits to their bottom line. Their player costs and admin costs are fixed. The only variable cost is how much marketing and game day expenses do you want to have.

Football operations does have some cost variable, mosltly based on how aggressive a team is with its scouting and free-agent camps plus how many players are carried on their injured list. For example Winnipeg had $11,731,700 in football operations expenses in 2016 compared to $11,409,630 the year before.

While a signifcant amount of the administrative expenses for the Argos will be eliminatined with the team being rolled into the overall MLSE operation the interesting aspect of this will be the marketing campaign and the cost vs reward part of it.

[Scooter McCray]

It's too bad this is going to be the attitude towards the Argos by the most listened to sports show. Where they can't understand why Rogers bought in Now, I can't understand why they didn't buy in 2 years ago. The Argos can be profitable if managed coŕrectly. They are the most successful CFL team over the last 27 years with 6 championships and the media in Toronto need to be ashamed of themselves. The team needs to win, fill BMO FIELD and continue to win the hearts of the city so those that choose to ignore them expose themselves for what they are. I honestly don't know what is not to like about the team or the league that gives us championships that are more often than not great games.

[Shatto]

Think some those guys pick an amount out of thin air and make it look as bad as possible--once a jerk always a jerk.

Talking about media, hope people got a chance to see the show "Gridiron:Undergound" on PBS last night. It is a hugely positive documentary about African-American athletes and the CFL and Canada. It made one feel proud to be a fan of the league and to be a Canadian. This was a show that needs to get wide distribution. I understand it was made in 2014 but I'd never seen it before. Great show.

[Tau Ceti]

It's too bad this is going to be the attitude towards the Argos by the most listened to sports show. Where they can't understand why Rogers bought in Now, I can't understand why they didn't buy in 2 years ago. The Argos can be profitable if managed coŕrectly. They are the most successful CFL team over the last 27 years with 6 championships and the media in Toronto need to be ashamed of themselves. The team needs to win, fill BMO FIELD and continue to win the hearts of the city so those that choose to ignore them expose themselves for what they are. I honestly don't know what is not to like about the team or the league that gives us championships that are more often than not great games.

I agree with the overall sentiment of this post but I don't think Argo profitability is much at issue here. No one wants to lose money, obviously, and MLSE will focus on at least breaking even. But a million or two profit or loss on basic operations is not going to move the needle with a conglomerate the size of Rogers.

What they're after is a seat at the table when CFL television rights are renegotiated in 2021 and the hedge this gives them if Blue Jay content disappears. More ambitiously, there's also the TSN stranglehold on NFL rights to think about. A small move on the chessboard brings them closer to snagging some of this content.

What I find astonishing is that Bob McCown, greatest sports mind of his generation, can't seem to figure this out. He is so utterly and unshakably focused on the Argos as failure in Toronto that he can't understand the larger economics of gridiron across the country.

[BATKINSON001]

I agree with the overall sentiment of this post but I don't think Argo profitability is much at issue here. No one wants to lose money, obviously, and MLSE will focus on at least breaking even. But a million or two profit or loss on basic operations is not going to move the needle with a conglomerate the size of Rogers.

What they're after is a seat at the table when CFL television rights are renegotiated in 2021 and the hedge this gives them if Blue Jay content disappears. More ambitiously, there's also the TSN stranglehold on NFL rights to think about. A small move on the chessboard brings them closer to snagging some of this content.

What I find astonishing is that Bob McCown, greatest sports mind of his generation, can't seem to figure this out. He is so utterly and unshakably focused on the Argos as failure in Toronto that he can't understand the larger economics of gridiron across the country.

or he refuses to see the larger picture.

[Ron]

I give McCown a break since he admits his whole shtick is an act to keep his numbers up and to keep him in green.

I always liked it when he first started the "act" ... that Shakey Hunt would always cut him off and say something like "Oh just stop it Robert ... you love the CFL and everyone knows it." lol

[Scooter McCray]

I give McCown a break since he admits his whole shtick is an act to keep his numbers up and to keep him in green.

I always liked it when he first started the "act" ... that Shakey Hunt would always cut him off and say something like "Oh just stop it Robert ... you love the CFL and everyone knows it." lol

You may be right but he plays a dangerous game. With friends like that who needs enemies.

[ArgoRavi]

MLSE used to be known as Maple Leaf Gardens Ltd., with Harold Ballard owning majority shares and was the former owner of the Hamilton Tiger-Cats from 1978 to 1988. Harold hated the Argos. How ironic that his company now owns the team!

[rdavies]

the media in Toronto need to be ashamed of themselves. I honestly don't know what is not to like about the team or the league that gives us championships that are more often than not great games.

Never a truer word been said

[VANRIDERFAN]

Talk about a foursome of Aholes made for each other.

I find Arash's attitude really curious because he is on the Sportscage (620 CKRM Regina) twice a week and he talks a lot of CFL with the host Rod Pedersen. He does take shots at the CFL (when warranted) but I would love to ask him why he is one way in Western Canada and takes a 180 when he is on Sportsnet.

[gilthethrill]

After reading the opinions on this forum about the PTS segment I am going to give myself an early Christmas present and not listen to those arrogant duffueses.

[rdavies]

He does take shots at the CFL (when warranted) but I would love to ask him why he is one way in Western Canada and takes a 180 when he is on Sportsnet.:

On the Art Briles story:

[Argo57]

I find Arash's attitude really curious because he is on the Sportscage (620 CKRM Regina) twice a week and he talks a lot of CFL with the host Rod Pedersen. He does take shots at the CFL (when warranted) but I would love to ask him why he is one way in Western Canada and takes a 180 when he is on Sportsnet.

Interesting, maybe he changes his tune depending on the hosts views so he’ll be invited back?
Lowers his credibility even more IMO.

[AngeloV]

I find Arash's attitude really curious because he is on the Sportscage (620 CKRM Regina) twice a week and he talks a lot of CFL with the host Rod Pedersen. He does take shots at the CFL (when warranted) but I would love to ask him why he is one way in Western Canada and takes a 180 when he is on Sportsnet.

Good question. I guess the Western Canada statements are see more as regional so he plays nice.

[R.J]

There's a promo airing on Sportsnet as of late to let people know that Bob signed an extension. during this promo, Bob admits to building a character so that his numbers would rise and people would listen. Arash is a CFL fan, but like Bob, I think says things just to get clicks and people talking about what he says. Shannon and Brunt are also well known CFL fans. Well Brunt is a Ticats fan, and Shannon is an Argos/CFL fan. Cox says he is, but I doubt it. Reminds me of when Lang stated Brady was a Ticats fan.

What I'd like to know is, how did the Argos go from losing $10 million to $12 million since McCown returned ?